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Amazing Surprise

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by JohnD, 27 Jul 2018.

  1. JohnD

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    Majority now back a second referendum on Brexit terms

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/majority-now-back-a-second-referendum-on-brexit-terms-hwg632gqf

    Who could have forecast such a thing?

    "The largest figure of blame for Brexit going badly is the government. Two thirds (68%) of those who think Brexit is currently going badly say that it is the government’s fault. This includes three quarters who voted Remain (77%) and 58% of Leave voters."
    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/07/04/whos-blame-brexit-going-badly/

    "69% of Britons believing that Brexit is going badly"

    "Around one in six Brits (16%) believe that Brexit is going well"
     
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  3. Iamchamps

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    Who’s this majority? Always makes me laugh these polls they survey say 1000 people and use that to say what the whole country is thinking.
     
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    No body asked me.
     
  6. JohnD

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    Unfortunately the committed Brexiteers, such as professional comedian and self-publicist Buffoon Johnson, and Dickensian re-enactor Rice-Pudd, have failed to come up with any proposal at all, not even one as bad as Theresa's. They've had two years, and not come up with anything. What chance of them coming up with something better by October?
     
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    They wont get it. DAMN.

    I must not let these clowns wind me up.
    I must not let these clowns wind me up.
    I must not let these clowns wind me up.
    I must not let these clowns wind me up.
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    I must not let these clowns wind me up.
    I must not let these clowns wind me up.
    I must not let these clowns wind me up.
    I must not let these clowns wind me up.
     
  8. ellal

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    The figures don't matter, it's the reading of the sentiment.
    The referendum was called for purely selfish political reasons, thus a second referendum could be called similarly.
    If quitters believe that a one off vote is the 'will of the people' and that's that, then by that logic they should be calling for no further Elections!
    People can and do change their minds - especially when politicians make a total balls up!
     
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    Can’t keep calling a referendum because some people didn’t get there own way. The vote is done end of story let’s move on :cautious:
     
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    People voted to buy something in a sealed box, relying on the descriptions of the content given by buddies of the vendor.

    The vendors have run away now, and as we start to unwrap the box we are discovering that it doesn't contain what they promised us.

    You say we are obligated to buy it, even though the price has gone up and the thing inside the box is not what we were told.

    I say we aren't.

    You are not obligated to buy a house when the survey tells you it is built out of cardboard and is floating on quicksand.
     
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    So we got a tory government (sort of).
    'The vote was done, end of story'...
    No further elections needed - let's move on!
     
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    It’s not called general referendum where every few years we revote to stay in or leave the EU. So it’s a bit silly to compare it to the general elections.

    The vote was to leave the EU so that needs to be completed. If it is not completed then it makes a shambles of voting in general.

    Because it did not go some people’s way we need to keep voting until it does? what kind of message does that show. Regardless of what I wanted I would accept the majority vote and that was to leave the EU.
     
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    The UK does not have any constitutional rules for how referenda should be run.

    Maybe it should have, and maybe it should have established them before the last one.

    However, it does recognise the Supremacy of Parliament (except that Parliament has agreed, as regards Brexit, that whoever happens to be in government can rule by decree)

    So usually, Parliament could set the rules for future referenda according to its whim.

    Currently, whoever is in power at any particular moment can set the rules according to its whim. For example that might be a government led by Theresa, or Jeremy, or Boris, or Nichola, or the C Hunt, or anyone else.

    I was never in favour of Theresa's Henry VIII clause, but the Tories and the RW press were, so we're stuck with it.

    Good luck with that after the next General Election.
     
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    Flawed logic.

    I suggest you go and find out how why elections are held.
     
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    Like supremacy of the EU:

    The primacy of European Union law (sometimes referred to as supremacy) is an EU lawprinciple that when there is conflict between European law and the law of Member States, European law prevails; the norms of national law have to be set aside
     
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    Amazing yes more fake news.
     
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