Any commercial gas guys or trainers on here?

[sxturbo]

We've accidentally picked up a new contract at work which will basically expand our business rather rapidly and take it into a new direction.

We are a business specialising in the maintenance of industrial engines, and up until now we have concentrated solely on diesel engines.

It's accidental because my customer got fed up with the OEM not being able to fix his fault and found us via Google of all places, and we managed to fix his fault and be a 3rd of the cost, this led to us being asked to overhaul a gas engine, which has now led to the client insist we get our own engineers to be gas Safe registered as although they have onsite staff that are they would like us not to utilise them. In turn they will put a substantial amount of business our way (we've got 3 engines so far and they have a total of 50 engines to be looked after) all there engines are CHP units.

So my question is does anyone know how we can become gas competent, we have no intention of installing gas lines etc, as far as we will go is adjusting or installing the gas regulator valves feeding the engine.

I see courses for gas engine applications, but they require other qualifications like COCN1 or something and then that requires gas Safe I think I've seen, I've seen ACS mentioned etc and basically I'm all a bit confused.

On euskills.co.uk there seems to be a million courses listed,

To me and my colleagues their does not appear to be a clear path to obtaining this, so I'm wondering if anyone here could offer some advice, I know there's a lot of gas people on here.

 

[bernardgreen]

which has now led to the client insist we get our own engineers to be gas Safe registered

ask your new client if he has any preference in how your staff obtain the necessary competence and registrations.

ask GasSafe what they would need from you to be able to issue your staff with the GasSafe registration that applies to gas powered engines, It will not be the same as the requirements for gas powered heating systems.

 

[sxturbo]

ask your new client if he has any preference in how your staff obtain the necessary competence and registrations.

ask GasSafe what they would need from you to be able to issue your staff with the GasSafe registration that applies to gas powered engines, It will not be the same as the requirements for gas powered heating systems.

gas safe were really unhelpful,

why would the client have a preference how we obtain the necessary competence, i'm trying to find out what we need to obtain it. The client did not train their staff they employed them already with gas safe registration.

We are looking at employing someone with the necesary qualifications already however they are few and far between.

i found a training course, but we need to obtain cocn1 course, but to do that we need to be experienced in commercial gas heating systems, and so before that we need to do an entry level course, but before we can do that we need to have proof of existing commercial heating experience (at least 2 years) to satisfy the requirements of ACS scheme, an it goes on.

 

[ianmcd]

@kevinges Has a training centre , dont think they do engines but he will be able to advise you, doubt if it will be worth your while to be honest as you will be counted as a new entrant, so lots of hoops to jump through Im afraid

 

[Deleted member 105431]

Are these Natural Gas fired engines? If so you need cgfe1 and commercial core. If Biogas it may not be needed.

You have already broken the law by working on one whilst unqualified it appears.

 

[sxturbo]

Thanks, they are natural gas.

We haven't broken the law as we have not touched the gas supply/pipework

The gas is injected into the air intake of the turbochargers.

The supply is isolated and disconnected prior to our commencement of work, and then is re-instated by the onsite gas Safe engineer.

The customer wishes to no longer supply one of his engineers to do this to make it easier for them, and has requested we get our guys trained and certified to enable this.

 

[Deleted member 105431]

Thanks, they are natural gas.

We haven't broken the law as we have not touched the gas supply/pipework

The gas is injected into the air intake of the turbochargers.

The supply is isolated and disconnected prior to our commencement of work, and then is re-instated by the onsite gas Safe engineer.

The customer wishes to no longer supply one of his engineers to do this to make it easier for them, and has requested we get our guys trained and certified to enable this.

Edited.

So did the company’s gas safe man supervise you and recommission the engine afterwards?

 

[sxturbo]

Edited.

So did the company’s gas safe man supervise you and recommission the engine afterwards?

Yes,

We are a reputable business, not just chancers. The company we are working for is a global company and their health and safety wouldn't allow for us to do that without proper gas Safe sign off. Nor would ours for that matter.

 

[Razor900]

You might not need to do the full commercial core

https://www.logic4training.co.uk/course/cgfe1-gas-fuelled-engines-course/

What area is it?

 

[Deleted member 105431]

Yes,

We are a reputable business, not just chancers. The company we are working for is a global company and their health and safety wouldn't allow for us to do that without proper gas Safe sign off. Nor would ours for that matter.

Some industrial sites are outside the scope of gas safe too, for sites like these then I-gas is another alternative but I would still recommend CGFE1.


https://cea.org.uk/certification/igas/


Not many centers do CGFE1 but SGAS are very good.

https://www.sgas.co.uk/

 

[sxturbo]

You might not need to do the full commercial core

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https://www.logic4training.co.uk/course/cgfe1-gas-fuelled-engines-course/

What area is it?

Thanks I've just called them and were helpful, they have a centre local to us which is good.

 

[Biggles..]

If the engine is under 1.8MW then It’s covered by gas safe legislation, as such your engineer will be expected to hold either limited scope commercial core and CGFE1 as long as the engine is within its own enclosure, if the engine takes its air from within a plantroom your engineer will be expected to hold full scope commercial gas core and CGFE1

above 1.8MW is out of gas safe scope and you need to prove competence either through OEM approval or IGAS.

@sxturbo daft question, but as the engine industry is so small, you’ve not just been working on a CAT in Birmingham have you?

 

[sxturbo]

If the engine is under 1.8MW then It’s covered by gas safe legislation, as such your engineer will be expected to hold either limited scope commercial core and CGFE1 as long as the engine is within its own enclosure, if the engine takes its air from within a plantroom your engineer will be expected to hold full scope commercial gas core and CGFE1

above 1.8MW is out of gas safe scope and you need to prove competence either through OEM approval or IGAS.

@sxturbo daft question, but as the engine industry is so small, you’ve not just been working on a CAT in Birmingham have you?

I can't possibly divulge that information...

But I'm also working on some jenbacher for the same company in a couple of weeks.

 

[Deleted member 105431]

I can't possibly divulge that information...

But I'm also working on some jenbacher for the same company in a couple of weeks.

You don’t work for Clarke Energy then?

 

[Biggles..]

I can't possibly divulge that information...

But I'm also working on some jenbacher for the same company in a couple of weeks.

get Kieth to give you my number and I’ll try and help explain what you may need going forward.