Baxi combi 80e not fitted properly 4 years ago-advice please

[Agile]

Since Anglian are not CORGI registered they cannot be expected to understand gas safety requirements so cannot be relied on to maintain gas safety.

However, if a flue is "too close" to a window opening ( and its not a Baxi ) then one could argue that if its not cut back to the wall but left extended by more than 300 mm from the wall then the terminal will be over 300 mm from the window opening and therefore OK ???

Tony

 

[namsag]

Just checked the 150mm to opening in the fabric of building is now in corgi book as for the extending of flues to meet the 300mm requirement this would be down to manufacturers instructions mention it regards excess cooling of flue products. Baxi have a maximum measurement in there installation instruction. And to make it even more confusing plume kits can be 100mm from opening

 

[Agile]

Thats interesting!

I agree that 150 mm is quite adequate but I thought the 300 mm was a longstanding BS requirement unless varied by the MI which few did.

One wonders on what authority this change has been made! Does anyone know or has time to ask CORGI.

The next question is how we were notified in this change ( or were not! ).

Its not very significant in gas safety terms but is highly significant because all those CP12 which were NTC ( or even At Risk ) have now become acceptable!

Tony

 

[namsag]

It is in the fourth edition corgi book which has been out since may last year

 

[Bamber gaspipe]

However, if a flue is "too close" to a window opening ( and its not a Baxi ) then one could argue that if its not cut back to the wall but left extended by more than 300 mm from the wall then the terminal will be over 300 mm from the window opening and therefore OK ???

Tony

You are now being silly & pedantic. We all now what is meant from distances to openings.
I don`t give a monkey`s stuff what Corgi says about fabric of building blah, blah, if the MIs state the distance from the flue to an openable window (not fabric of building) should be 150/300/25mm then that`s were this kiddy will site it.Up Corgi. MIs take precedent.

In your ridiculous scenario Tony I should now take into account that before my flue was installed 25mmm below the eaves as per MIs, do I then ask the customer if maybe 5/10 years down the line he may have soffits fitted beneath his eaves thereby rendering the flue incorrect?
I will be knackered if he decides to move his rainwater/soil pipe won`t I?

Get real Fellah.

 

[Agile]

The difference is that people regularly DO have replacement windows fitted and its common for the replacements to be to a different design.

Tony

 

[namsag]

It`s simple we can only work to regs and what customer tells you they may be having in the near future other than that it`s down to other trades to know relevant building regs otherwise no boiler could be fitted because of the what if scenario.

Regards the original question perhaps the poster could come back and tell us the measurements etc of existing flue position with the aid of a photo if possible.

Also it said at risk because of no pessure relief pipe. Is this not a water bylaw and has nothing to do with gas safety so has no right to be put at risk for this

 

[Bamber gaspipe]

The difference is that people regularly DO have replacement windows fitted and its common for the replacements to be to a different design.

Tony

Your not getting this are you? I don`t care if they rebuild the house around my boiler as longer as when I installed it, it met the MIs criteria.

How many phone calls have you had from a customer lately telling you they have just had a new kitchen fitted & built a cupboard around it with less than 50mm distances left/right & a possible problem with removing the front casing due to the fact that the boiler now resides between two cupboards?? None.
It`s not down to you or me once the installation has been completed properly & to the Regs.

 

[Slugbabydotcom]

Since Anglian are not CORGI registered they cannot be expected to understand gas safety requirements so cannot be relied on to maintain gas safety.

What about all the existing installations that they could make dangerous by renewing windows without care or consideration to existing flues. If it is not within the scope of FENSA to ensure that they dont create dangerous instances then it should be. When they fit a window and self certify they are certifying that it is within compliance of current building regulations. I am not aware that this applies to GSUIR but I would say that it is implied as a duty of care.
All these years window companies have been replacing vented doors with non vented doors and getting away without providing alternative ventilation. It is they who have created a dangerous situation and they who as the last men on the job are responsible for their actions.
Out of curiosity I have emailed FENSA requesting information on their view of the matter.
On another parrallel scenario I am aware that those who install cavity wall insulation have to ensure that any air vents are sleeved through the cavity and that they must not blow any insulation to within given distances of flues after instances where precast flues were inadvertantly filled.

 

[Agile]

Whatever we think the plain fact is that any FENSA firm just does not have the training, experience or knowledge to know when what they are doing is creating a hazard.

I am sure that most of us have seen conservatories built with flues discharging into them!

Not only are other trades not required to know anything about gas safety but even if they do they usually seem to get off.



Tony

 

[Bamber gaspipe]

Whatever we think the plain fact is that any FENSA firm just does not have the training, experience or knowledge to know when what they are doing is creating a hazard.

I am sure that most of us have seen conservatories built with flues discharging into them!

Not only are other trades not required to know anything about gas safety but even if they do they usually seem to get off.



Tony

Installers are not the Neanderthal knumbsculls that you think they are Mr. Agile. Watch your mouth. We obviously know a great deal more than you, installation wise. Back pedal all you like.

 

[kevplumb]

Whatever we think the plain fact is that any FENSA firm just does not have the training, experience or knowledge to know when what they are doing is creating a hazard.

I am sure that most of us have seen conservatories built with flues discharging into them!

Not only are other trades not required to know anything about gas safety but even if they do they usually seem to get off.



Tony

Installers are not the Neanderthal knumbsculls that you think they are Mr. Agile. Watch your mouth. We obviously know a great deal more than you, installation wise.

ohh no yer don't

i was fitting combis (sine 18 ) a bit back and they are still running ABW a bit of TLC

 

[Bamber gaspipe]

ohh no yer don't

i was fitting combis (sine 18 ) a bit back and they are still running ABW a bit of TLC

Yes, I believe you are fond of the sine 18 aren`t you Kev, Traineegasman told me all about it when he ventured on to this site

He said it was one of your firm favourites.

 

[kevplumb]

aye gobshite cos i know how it works some peice of over engineering that was

pee me off when yer go and play with a 250 kw beast aswell

 

[Bamber gaspipe]

aye g*****e cos i know how it works some peice of over engineering that was

pee me off when yer go and play with a 250 kw beast aswell

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