Black tar like on T+E

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Changing my consumer unit and noticed on the twin and earth are covered in a black tar like substance, some still sticky and wet, other dried in.

Is this maybe been a type of lube to pull the cables through the wall/up roof, or are the cables melting?!

See below


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Thanks for your reply. Not 100% convinced though, as the substance isn't green.
 
Looks more like bitumen or pitch - as used to fill old cutouts, and leaks out fairly often.
 
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Probably is some sort of tar. Once it gets on cables it's a pig to remove.
 
seen similar in commercial premises, unfortunately we were told it was mice/ rats had been weeing on it
 
A search of bitumen and looks like that. Possibly when cutting through the trunking in the picture?
 
pull the cables through the wall/up roof, or are the cables melting?!

Is there bitumous material in the roof ? If so it was probably this that got onto the cables when they were installed.

Are you changing the CU yourself or employing an electrician with the necessary test equipment ? I ask because an experienced electrician would know how and why the cables were contaminated.
 
I am an electrician and have the correct testing equipment, so yes I will be changing the CU myself. And I have never seen this on cables in a domestic installation - hence the question!
 
Looks like a bad case of "greening" and tar on the sheath. Two separate issues.
 
Green gunge is most prevalent in cables made between 1965 and 1971. The
gunge is degraded di-isoctyl phthalate and is the result of the reaction
between the plasticisor in the insulation and the copper. Between 1965 and
1971 the temprature performance of PVC was uprated by the inclusion of an
anti-oxidant in to the PVC. An unappreciated side effect was that the
anti-oxident encouraged the production of exudate.
Evidence suggests that that high ambient temperatures accelarate the
process. The exudate is of low flammability and low toxicity. Although
unsightly it does not reduce the electrical integity of the conductor or the
insulation.

See also the draft BCA statement (April 2001) below: -
1) PVC
PVC comes in two main grades, plasticised and unplasticised PVC.
Unplasticised PVC (UPVC) is used for example in double glazing window frames
where a rigid material is required.
The PVC used for manufacture of cables is a plasticised PVC that conforms to
the relevant British Standard for the cable type in question.
2) Ageing effects
As a cable ages; (at temperatures above normal ambient), the elongation to
break decreases (also the Insulation Resistance increases). The life
expectancy of a cable is arbitrarily considered to be when the elongation to
break of the PVC is 50%.
A lower elongation to break value could be considered suitable especially
for a fixed wiring cable. Therefore, providing the cable is not subject to
movement or when moved due to inspection of socket outlet or the like, the
PVC does not crack, a much lower value of elongation to break is considered
by some as suitable.
3) Greening
Greening is the appearance of a wet green substance that is a product of an
adverse reaction between certain types of plasticiser and the copper
conductors. This greening, which is a rare occurrence, can happen either
after a long period of time for some cables, or if the cable has been
severely overheated.
The plasticiser itself is a clear oily liquid that is non conductive. The
green substance is a combination of copper oxide and plasticiser which may
become conductive under certain adverse conditions.
4) Action if Greening is found
Therefore whenever this green substance is found at socket outlets etc.
initially it should be removed and the terminations cleaned (gloves should
be used) otherwise it is possible that tracking/overheating may occur. It is
strongly recommended that rewiring should be carried out as soon as
possible.
If further information is required, the original cable manufacturer should
be contacted.


http://www.napitonline.com/downloads/CP 6 07 P 28 Ask Eddie Green Slime.pdf
 
Thanks for your reply. I am still not convinced it is this, as the house was built in 78. I am thinking it might be from the trunking , I will know for sure if it is when I make a few 20mm holes through it.
 
By the photos, it is. For sure. (ignoring the trunking one).

I have seen it here in many houses around the late 70's.

With the first three photos, it can be nothing but cable greening. A particularly bad case.
 
The other 3 aren't my photos, just the first one. Absolute no green on my cables
 
Ah, ok, sorry. Missed that. Yours just looks like tar! Possibly when being pulled in? It wasn't a conversion with preserved wood work, or an old flat roof with a second story conversion or anything?
 

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