Brainwashing

[denso13]

Good listen, but if tight for time, 7:53, 12:50 and 22:08.

 

[charliegolf]

There's a bit of right thinking and a barrow load of ****** been typed since this thread started. Allow me to join in...

This is patently NOT 'Wee Murray's' first rodeo as far as being 'chucked' out of class is concerned. Murray will be a **** who mouths off at every turn, spoiling the education of others in his low-grade-not-quite-bad-enough-for-exclusion way. He'll cause the learning to stutter every 2 minutes. Had he filmed my staff as they administered school policy (sensible or daft), then posted it online- I would have excluded him.

We've drifted dangerously away from what I believe the school-pupil contract should be, which is: 'WE'LL work very hard to educate you, plan and evaluate your work- YOU just turn up, shut up and do as you are effing told.

Simple really.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

This is patently NOT 'Wee Murray's' first rodeo as far as being 'chucked' out of class is concerned. Murray will be a **** who mouths off at every turn, spoiling the education of others in his low-grade-not-quite-bad-enough-for-exclusion way. He'll cause the learning to stutter every 2 minutes. Had he filmed my staff as they administered school policy (sensible or daft), then posted it online- I would have excluded him.

That's an entire torrent of assumptions that may or may not be correct.

Alternatively, he may be a well rounded kid who's been brought up to understand and tolerate the views of others, who can understand the concept of different people having different views on a subject where there isn't and can never be one right answer.

Perhaps he politely put up his hand at the spoutings of that gobby teacher and suggested that most people think that that people were either male or female. At which point the teacher erupted into the sort of angry and intolerant spouting seen in that video.

We can't know what actually happened. But perhaps accepting that we don't know may be a good starting point?

In a more general but similar sense, I'm willing to accept that I don't and can't know whether there is a god so wouldn't angrily spout for or against either side of this tedious debate. I don't go to church and don't believe in god but I know many who do, and they are way, way better, kinder and more honest than the typical non-religious person.

My (personal) take is that religion started as a means of teaching people to be good to each other. The stories weren't intended to be factual but were merely examples of how you should behave and why. The concept of heaven and hell was invented to give selfish people a reason to not be a dick to others. I'm pretty sure that if christianity was still widespread then we'd have a kinder, happier country. But it's not, so people rant angrily about random crap on the internet instead.

 

[JohnD]

Half the bible can be discarded straight away? Jesus never thought that, he quoted it often enough.

Jesus and the Apostles were all Jewish, so naturally had a shared cultural heritage.

You are welcome to read the Old Testament, but you cannot claim that it reflects Christan teaching.

 

[Notch7]

I bet Murray’s Dad is a brexer

 

[IT Minion]

I'm amazed that a student is allowed their phone to film things in school.

 

[denso13]

You are welcome to read the Old Testament, but you cannot claim that it reflects Christan teaching.

Original sin isn't a Christian teaching? I'm good with that.

No moses, ten commandments or Abrahamic teachings in Christianity? None of it is to be believed? Again, fine with me.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

I'm amazed that a student is allowed their phone to film things in school.

He didn't. It looks like dad had the phone quietly filming while meeting with the teacher about the incident.

 

[Dork Lard]

I don't go to church and don't believe in god but I know many who do, and they are way, way better, kinder and more honest than the typical non-religious person.

I've never met such evil people as those who hide inside the church.

 

[JohnD]

...I don't go to church and don't believe in god but I know many who do, and they are way, way better, kinder and more honest than the typical non-religious person.

...I'm pretty sure that if christianity was still widespread then we'd have a kinder, happier country. ..

Good gods, the others you meet must be awful.

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[Justin Passing]

I'm not prepared to walk up to the families of those recently drowned lads and tell them there's no God. Your kids are dead and gone. Deal with it.
Are you?

Absolutely.
They are gone - and not anywhere else.
They live in people's memories and that's it. Give or take some hard drives and news print. Stop wasting my time with your fairy stories and hocus pocus.

 

[johnny2007]

Your point illustrates a larger point, which is that dictionary words with long-standing well understood meanings are having new meanings enforced onto them.

The most recent example is "Pride", which always simply meant that you were proud of something. The events that were previously called "Gay Pride" have now become just "Pride", I'm guessing as a result of the organisers thinking the ever-growing long stream of letters lacked punchiness and many can't even remember what they all are or mean. So they've re-branded a word with very broad meaning to now have a much narrower definition that belongs only to a small minority. This won't be resisted, most people will quietly obey and stop having "pride" in anything other than their gender preference or whatever.

Another example is "Transition", which previously meant just a change of any state to any other, now it's becoming understood as being related to an apparent change of gender and nothing else. There are lots more examples too.

This has happened with lots of words. It's no wonder people get into arguments. If the pronouncement was that there are two genders but a number of gender identities or some other term then we wouldn't be having these arguments. I suspect that some of the militant campaigners deliberately make statements that they know will cause controversy, just to force their campaign into the news by causing this sort of friction.

Not so long ago saying "You seem very gay today" or "I'm jolly gay today" meant something completely different from what the new generation thinks.
However, I insist on using such expressions in order to offend these lunatics.

 

[JohnD]

That's a nice point, as the Duke of Wellington used to say, meaning something quite different.

 

[Odds]

Absolutely.
They are gone - and not anywhere else.
They live in people's memories and that's it. Give or take some hard drives and news print. Stop wasting my time with your fairy stories and hocus pocus.

You'd make a lousy priest.
I don't think you're much of a human being, either.

 

[Nige F]

There is a road near Lion Hill called Pride View ... make of it what you will