Britain formally recognises Palestinian state

[denso13]

Israel is in the wrong place, that's the crux of the problem. The only civilised country and the only democracy in the Middle East, it is surrounded by barbaric countries that wish to destroy it. Israel will always have to fight for its survival and the conflict will never end.

You are funny.

 

[aveatry]

Starmer never had the balls to do it before trump's visit. I bet he gave out all the right noises to trump and then even before trump landed back home starmer was betraying what he had told trump. Trump has just learned what the UK voters have learned, you can not trust starmer.

 

[transam]

Uk recognising Palestine

Does not amount to a bag of beans

 

[denso13]

starmer was betraying what he had told trump.

What did he tell him?

 

[aveatry]

Uk recognising Palestine

Does not amount to a bag of beans

You got the phrase wrong, it's a hill of beans, Casablanca. Bogart.

 

[denso13]

You got the phrase wrong, it's a hill of beans, Casablanca. Bogart.

Nice one ..

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Is Starmy going to bung them a few billion of our money like he did for Mauritius?

 

[Knave of Hearts]

But it didn't. I posted somewhere else of the terrorist deaths by Islamists, it was IIRC 250,000 in the past 50 years. Not by wars, note, but actual terrorist attacks. Palestinians have carried out a small fraction of these as a result, it can be argued, of the Gaza situation, but given their history we can be fairly sure they'd commit a lot more if they had the chance. Not just against Israel and the West but against other Muslim countries, No. 1 on their list being Jordan.

And just imagine what would happen if Palestine was a nuclear power instead of Israel. There'd be cities levelled in a dozen countries before lunchtime.

Exaggeration again. Or are you now specifying only terror attacks so that deaths by wars are discounted in your comparisons?
State sponsored terrorism is responsible for the most number of deaths during any period. But you carefully choose your comparisons to ignore the greater responsibility for deaths.

The more accurate assessment of deaths due to Islamic terrorist is probably less than 200,000.

• Islamists have killed 167,096 people since 1979 – most of them were Muslims​

Islamists have killed 167,096 people since 1979 – most of them were Muslims - Fondapol

Between 1979 and 2019, 167,096 people have been killed by Islamist attacks according to a new study by the Paris-based Fondation pour l’innovation politique, (Foundation for Political Innovation.) Researchers have identified 33,769 Islamist attacks, which make up 18.8 per cent of all politically...

www.fondapol.org

That's a tiny fraction of the total deaths due to religion.
The current Israeli genocide of Palestinians, over the last two years is quickly becoming close to the total of Islamic terror attacks over 50 years.

• The Crusades: 6,000,000
• Thirty Years War: 11,500,000
• French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000
• Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000
• Lebanese Civil War: 250,000
• Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000
• Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000
• Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000
• Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
• Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000
• Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000
• Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000
• First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
• Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000
• The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000
• Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000
• Iraq War: 500,000
• US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000
• Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000
• Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000
• AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000
• Spanish Inquisition: 5,000
• TOTAL: 195,035,000 deaths in the name of religion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/33tofh/how_many_people_have_been_killed_in_the_name_of

And let's not forget that Israel has been killing Palestinians since 1948.
11,000 Palestinian civilians were killed during the Nakba.

Currently Israel consistently imprisons up to 10,000 Palestinians, many tortured and abused, some never to be seen again.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Not among the million pus Palestinian arabs who are Israeli citizens living in Israel, or the dozen or so Palestinian Arabs who sit in the Knesset.

All Israeli Arabs are denied equal rights and suffer systemic discrimination in Israel.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Hamas slaughtered 1200 jews along with their palestinian supporters. They kidnapped hostages and tortured them, Israel retaliates and dismantles 95% of hamas and is nearing reaching the total destruction of them. Starmer announces we will recognise Palestine if they don't stop. Another Hamas victory but surely another nail in Starmers coffin. It is unbelievable but then old U turn is an ex human rights lawyer so expect more stupid soft laws from him.

Israel regularly hold up to 10,000 Palestinian prisoners. Most for no apparent reason.
Many are tortured and abused. Some are never seen again.
At least 75 Palestinians have died in Israeli detention since 7th October 2023.

At least 75 Palestinians have died in Israeli detention since 7 October 2023 – UN Human Rights in Occupied Palestinian Territory​

Israeli authorities must urgently end the systematic torture and other ill-treatment of Palestinians held in their prisons and other places of detention and protect and ensure their right to life. Israeli authorities have deliberately imposed conditions of detention that amount to torture or other forms of ill-treatment and that have contributed to the deaths of detainees, while the culture of impunity and the denial of International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) access have predictably fostered extreme violence against Palestinians in Israeli jails.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-press-release-17sep25/

 

[Knave of Hearts]

It's all irrelevant. There is still no sovereign state called Palestine.

Only because USA uses its veto to block it in the UN Security council.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Israel is in the wrong place, that's the crux of the problem. The only civilised country and the only democracy in the Middle East, it is surrounded by barbaric countries that wish to destroy it. Israel will always have to fight for its survival and the conflict will never end.

Genocide of Palestinians is not fighting for survival. It's state sponsored terrorism.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Starmer never had the balls to do it before trump's visit. I bet he gave out all the right noises to trump and then even before trump landed back home starmer was betraying what he had told trump. Trump has just learned what the UK voters have learned, you can not trust starmer.

trump was invited for a state visit in February.
Starmer stated in July that he would recognise the State of Palestine, in September, if Israel did not meet certain conditions.
Israel did not meet those conditions, Thus Starmer recognised the state of Palestine, in September.

You can believe whatever alternative timeline of events you like, but it does not change history.

 

[Vinty]

Do you support the genocide in Gaza.

If so, seems a strange position for a Christian to take

Probley a 'Judeo Christian'.

 

[Vinty]

Why not ask the other Muslim countries of the Middle East, who refuse to take any Palestinian refugees?

Why should other countries take on a problem created by Israel.

Why Egypt and other Arab nations are hesitant to take in Palestinian refugees

As desperate Palestinians in sealed-off Gaza try to find refuge under Israel's relentless bombardment in retaliation for Hamas' brutal Oct. 7 attack, many ask why neighboring Egypt or other Arab countries don't take them in.

www-pbs-org.cdn.ampproject.org