If there's an accident due to dodgy wiring and this ends up in a Court the fact that the landlord had a report detailing faults in the wiring and "shopped around" to get a more favourable report will be held against him .It will be virtually impossible to deny the existence of the first report and if the author of that report has enough letters after his name , it will be held to be correct in it's findings
Complete rewire needed, so says the sparky
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Unless it is wrong.
Then you get into a battle of "experts" and you rarely find one who will stand up in Court and criticize another. The OP could get another report and the tenant could refuse to accept this one. This whole situation is getting messy.
That's not true - well, maybe not criticise but offer another viewpoint.
Isn't that what all court cases are?
Not if it is correct. Is it up to the tenant?
Only because we are not in a position to know.
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I think we are not being given the whole story, the lack of pictures and detail of exactly what circuit caused the 'short' the electrician maybe 'at it' likewise the installation maybe a death trap we just don't know.
Bored with it now.
Regards,
DS
Bored with it now.
Regards,
DS
Noting that some have assumed this is a rented property, though I don't see that stated. It does make a significant difference ...
The first of these is a legal one. A landlord has a duty of care to the tenant (and any visitors) to provide a "safe" property. Non-compliance with current regs doesn't make an installation unsafe - but it can do and this is where the coding on an EICR matters, and it would seem, why the OP is unhappy as some of the codings.
The second one is that, as hinted at, tenants may decide to use any non-compliances to their advantage. I've perhaps been lucky in that I've only ever had one tenant with that mindset. As it is, both my properties have EICRs with no defects against the current regs - being fairly modern with no faults, achieved by upgrading the CUs to fully RCBO. IMO that has to be one of the simplest defences against a charge of letting an unsafe property - being able to hold up a piece of paper that says it was safe according to an "expert" should cut off most attempts at scamming the landlord fairly quickly.
A scan of the test results sheet shouldn't take much effort though.
But so many unanswered questions :
What was the circuit ? If it was an RFC then any competent sparky should be able to narrow down a dead short fairly quickly. It shouldn't be much harder on a radial to get down to a specific cable segment.
As to the low IR - could it be that it was a whole installation test and there was something still connected ?
Did you agree to that before he did it ?
Well if this is a rented property, then that is a "tricky" one. Technically that is correct, there is no law that says an installation must be retroactively made to comply with the latest regs. But there are other issues that can come into play :
The first of these is a legal one. A landlord has a duty of care to the tenant (and any visitors) to provide a "safe" property. Non-compliance with current regs doesn't make an installation unsafe - but it can do and this is where the coding on an EICR matters, and it would seem, why the OP is unhappy as some of the codings.
The second one is that, as hinted at, tenants may decide to use any non-compliances to their advantage. I've perhaps been lucky in that I've only ever had one tenant with that mindset. As it is, both my properties have EICRs with no defects against the current regs - being fairly modern with no faults, achieved by upgrading the CUs to fully RCBO. IMO that has to be one of the simplest defences against a charge of letting an unsafe property - being able to hold up a piece of paper that says it was safe according to an "expert" should cut off most attempts at scamming the landlord fairly quickly.
I rather agree. Why the reticence to post pictures (or give a reason why they aren't available) ? It could be as simple as he never thought to take any at the time and would need the tenant's permission to go back into the property to get some.
A scan of the test results sheet shouldn't take much effort though.
But so many unanswered questions :
What was the circuit ? If it was an RFC then any competent sparky should be able to narrow down a dead short fairly quickly. It shouldn't be much harder on a radial to get down to a specific cable segment.
As to the low IR - could it be that it was a whole installation test and there was something still connected ?
The occupant is described as a tenant.
Ah, couldn't find that in the limited time I had available before getting tea ready. Turkey curry, yum yum
You can't make it from leftover ones, but I can give you a recipe for sprout curry, if you like.
Not to be consumed the day before a car/train/coach/plane journey though.
Not to be consumed the day before a car/train/coach/plane journey though.
As so many have contributed thought it may be of interest to some to hear back from the OP with the story so far...
I found a more capable electrician who isolated the problem (cable set directly into concrete gone bad). He has installed a temporary fix and has priced up the work for a partial rewire of existing circuits to make it all good and will install a new CU with RCDs. This work is much more to my satisfaction and properly justified.
He retested the IR and obtained a reading of 200 MegaOhms, whereas the previous guy managed 1.8. Hmm. The other guy was bad, just bad.
I found a more capable electrician who isolated the problem (cable set directly into concrete gone bad). He has installed a temporary fix and has priced up the work for a partial rewire of existing circuits to make it all good and will install a new CU with RCDs. This work is much more to my satisfaction and properly justified.
He retested the IR and obtained a reading of 200 MegaOhms, whereas the previous guy managed 1.8. Hmm. The other guy was bad, just bad.
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