Confronting racism. BBC report on a very brave lady

[Norcon]

I like the quote "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Pity the lefties like Coathanger want to quash everyone's freedoms to suit their own sinister agendas. They, along with many in government and The EU, want to change our lives and countries. They can't handle dissent from those who just won't be silenced.

Very true. When war comes to Europe again the coathangers of this world will be mostly to blame!

 

[Micilin]

It's more a case of 'when they came for me, there was no one left to do anything '

 

[cajar]

I think roguehanger should read animal farm. The pigs say the farmers are bad cos they keep the animals down, but as soon as they oust the farmers and rise to power they take their place and become the new tyrants.

Surely the lefties can see that's all they're doing - trying to oust the 'white male' rather than create equality.

 

[Whitespirit66]

I like the quote "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Pity the lefties like Coathanger want to quash everyone's freedoms to suit their own sinister agendas. They, along with many in government and The EU, want to change our lives and countries. They can't handle dissent from those who just won't be silenced.

Very true. When war comes to Europe again the coathangers of this world will be mostly to blame!

Coathanger's thinking ahead. He's already moved across the channel so he can capitulate at the first sign of any conflict.

 

[Norcon]

Indeed..... and the open borders on the continent will leave him harder to trace whilst he's on the run back to his gypo camp in Romania..

 

[Whitespirit66]

 

[JBR]

Coathanger's thinking ahead. He's already moved across the channel so he can capitulate at the first sign of any conflict.

I'm confused now. I'm not sure whether it was the French or the Italians whose flag during the war was a white cross on a white background.

 

[RogueHanger]

Heres something to think on RH.

“You can't pick and choose which types of freedom you want to defend. You must defend all of it or be against all of it.”

Not appropriate at all because sometimes someone has to draw a line between what is acceptable and what is not. For instance, it’s now acceptable to use mild corporal punishment against a child, but it’s no longer acceptable to beat the living daylights out of them.

I'd like to thank you for that enyam, but I can't because I'd be supporting racism...

Well, by supporting an “anything goes” attitude you are supporting the abusers.

I like the quote "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Pity the lefties like Coathanger want to quash everyone's freedoms to suit their own sinister agendas. They, along with many in government and The EU, want to change our lives and countries. They can't handle dissent from those who just won't be silenced.

This is just a ludicrous vastly exaggerated claim to a ridiculous evolution of objecting to abuse on a social media site.
The kind of claim one has come to expect from an overt abuser.
Additionally, it’s those abusers who want to silence those that object to their abuse.

I like the quote "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Pity the lefties like Coathanger want to quash everyone's freedoms to suit their own sinister agendas. They, along with many in government and The EU, want to change our lives and countries. They can't handle dissent from those who just won't be silenced.

Very true. When war comes to Europe again the coathangers of this world will be mostly to blame!

Another ludicrous, but even more dangerous claim, tantamount to inciting violence.

I think roguehanger should read animal farm. The pigs say the farmers are bad cos they keep the animals down, but as soon as they oust the farmers and rise to power they take their place and become the new tyrants.

Surely the lefties can see that's all they're doing - trying to oust the 'white male' rather than create equality.

Again another ludicrous claim, this time based on fantasy.

I like the quote "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Pity the lefties like Coathanger want to quash everyone's freedoms to suit their own sinister agendas. They, along with many in government and The EU, want to change our lives and countries. They can't handle dissent from those who just won't be silenced.

Very true. When war comes to Europe again the coathangers of this world will be mostly to blame!

Coathanger's thinking ahead. He's already moved across the channel so he can capitulate at the first sign of any conflict.

Indeed..... and the open borders on the continent will leave him harder to trace whilst he's on the run back to his gypo camp in Romania..

Now that the abusers have made their ludicrous claims, they’ve resorted to personal abuse.
Typical.

Coathanger's thinking ahead. He's already moved across the channel so he can capitulate at the first sign of any conflict.

I'm confused now. I'm not sure whether it was the French or the Italians whose flag during the war was a white cross on a white background.

And then the biggest idiot, and one of the worst abusers of them all, resorts to racial abuse.

That about sums up the argument in support of abuse in GD forum, from the mouths of some of the worst abusers.
Freedom to abuse others is supporting abuse and cyber-bullying.

They expect their ridiculous claims to win support for abuse?
Can they not understand that their attitude supports, perpetuates and encourages cuber-bullying?
And they think that's a responsible approach in a GD forum?

 

[RogueHanger]

Jeez. Are people still wasting their time with this pious old bore?

I see you're keeping yopurself abreast with the current discussion, despite you sentiments.
Can you not help yourself?

Just say and think what you like. Don't let this cretin try to bore you into doing otherwise with his moronic lefty spiel and ideologies. Being discriminating could save your skin one day.

Who does he think he is?

What is more cretinous? Being abusive, supporting abusers but pretending you're not one, or objecting to abuse?
I know where I'd prefer to stand, any time, any day, anywhere.

Who do you think you are, championing the abuse, and being an abuser?

 

[cajar]

think I'd rather be just about anything else than a hypocrite.

 

[RogueHanger]

think I'd rather be just about anything else than a hypocrite.

Back to regurgitating old discussions again. Moreover, old discussions that you haven't read properly.
You're ignorance of the situation is evident for all to see.
Additionally, you are suggesting that abuse is more favourable than hypochrisy.

 

[RogueHanger]

/........... But I go back to what I said about “I may hate what you have to say but will defend your right to say it!” Quite honestly, that includes racism, sexism or just about anything else! May I also remind you that you have said some pretty mean and unwarranted acid posts here! Should you have been censored or banned earlier; like you want for others? They, the Mods, haven’t censored or banned you and they are still giving you air time - for now.

Where’s their credit for tolerating the abuse you have slung at others? Did you consider my feelings or some mums or minors here who would find your comments equally despicable as the racist comments - or more so? You’re quite selective with what you find objectionable I notice. You will take that as me not supporting you, again, and I’m a racist again, and again.. Just because I am not pro-actively supporting you in your fanatical approach, you take it that way and keep falsely accusing me.

By your very position, you are being rather disingenuous.
You say that you think that abusive posters have a right to say what they like, yet you have continuously and vehemently opposed my right to object to them.

If they have a right to free speech, then so do I have a right to ridicule them for their abusive behaviour.
You will, of course, support, even defend, my right to ridicule those abusers?

 

[Big Tone]

You say that you think that abusive posters have a right to say what they like, yet you have continuously and vehemently opposed my right to object to them.

No I haven’t actually, but it’s hard to tell who’s fanning the flames most. Our rift goes back to your allegations that I’m racist or support racism just because I'm not like you. It’s hard to come back from a wild and untrue accusation like that, but I have tried to put that aside.

If you want things censored then it begs the question who censors what – you and your sense of values and sensibilities? I know that’s what you want and I simply don’t think it’s your call. It is surely down to the Board Directorate, if that’s the right expression. And don't forget there is censorship here but just not how you would like it, which again is not your call!

Censorship is a very slippery slope, like a dictator telling us what is in our best interests. I don’t want that! And if the price we have to pay is the other extreme then I’d still prefer that over some King dishing out largess to us censored masses. I say again, I don’t like it but then I don’t like the other extreme where the stuffy PC brigade dictate what I can or cannot say or think. I am a free thinker and unique, just like everyone else

Like you, I can be as abusive as the next man. But to paraphrase a James May expression on speeding “I can do it, but I only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman”. I don’t like more rules and laws than absolutely necessary. Most places regulate themselves because the majority are decent folk. In my pub situation, if there were more people in the bar and I stood up to Mr Gobby I would expect others would back me up. (As said, in that situation where you can’t easily always just walk away).

If they have a right to free speech, then so do I have a right to ridicule them for their abusive behaviour.
You will, of course, support, even defend, my right to ridicule those abusers?

Yes, of course. (Which is not to say I would approve of it any more than I would coming from other posters). But just remember that's your mission not mine What I will say though is in each and every situation I’ve ever seen on a forum like this no one backs down because it’s not a real place and effectively anonymous. And so it spirals down and on and on, and on... ad nauseam - ad infinitum... I don’t want that either; it’s boring.

 

[RogueHanger]

You say that you think that abusive posters have a right to say what they like, yet you have continuously and vehemently opposed my right to object to them.

No I haven’t actually, but it’s hard to tell who’s fanning the flames most. Our rift goes back to your allegations that I’m racist or support racism just because I'm not like you. It’s hard to come back from a wild and untrue accusation like that, but I have tried to put that aside.

I thought you said that you respond to the post not the poster?
Yet you have consistently argued that my assertion, that abuse is unacceptable, is wrong.
I suspect that you've posted more comments objecting to my ridicule of abusers then you ever did before. I suspect that there is absolutely no comment of yours criticising abuse by other posters.
Yet you continue to assert that you have been open minded and even-handed.

If you want things censored then it begs the question who censors what – you and your sense of values and sensibilities? I know that’s what you want and I simply don’t think it’s your call. It is surely down to the Board Directorate, if that’s the right expression. And don't forget there is censorship here but just not how you would like it, which again is not your call!

You're right, it's not my call. It's what would normally be unacceptable in public, and abuse falls into that category.

Censorship is a very slippery slope, like a dictator telling us what is in our best interests.

There already is censorship. It just doesn't stop the abusers continuing with their abuse. You, yourself, played with the auto-censor to discover ways round it.

I don’t want that!

So you settle for abuse being allowed.

And if the price we have to pay is the other extreme then I’d still prefer that over some King dishing out largess to us censored masses.

It already happens. Again, you are saying that it's OK to abuse others, and that to allow it, is better than stopping it or discouraging it.

I say again, I don’t like it but then I don’t like the other extreme where the stuffy PC brigade dictate what I can or cannot say or think.

So it's the stuffy PC brigade that objects to abuse in public?

I am a free thinker and unique, just like everyone else

So you keep saying, yet you only object to my freedom of speech, and support and defend the free speech of abusers. That's some free thinking.

Like you, I can be as abusive as the next man. But to paraphrase a James May expression on speeding “I can do it, but I only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman”.

But you must think it's gentlemanly to post abuse because you never criticise that.

I don’t like more rules and laws than absolutely necessary.

There already are some rules. Yet some of those rules are applied in a biased manner, i.e. me being banned for criticising the abusers and the abusers allowed to continue.

Most places regulate themselves because the majority are decent folk.

The decent folk here are hounded and bullied by the few abusers.

In my pub situation, if there were more people in the bar and I stood up to Mr Gobby I would expect others would back me up. (As said, in that situation where you can’t easily always just walk away).

Someone must take the lead. Yet you have consistently opposed my lead.

]If they have a right to free speech, then so do I have a right to ridicule them for their abusive behaviour.
You will, of course, support, even defend, my right to ridicule those abusers?

Yes, of course. (Which is not to say I would approve of it any more than I would coming from other posters). But just remember that's your mission not mine

I'll say it again, you seem to have taken it on yourself to oppose my mission, yet not one criticism from you against the abusers.
Moreover, you are stating that, while not approving of my criticism of abusers, you would support and defend my right to do so?
Wow, what have you been doing for the last few weeks? Supporting and defending my right to free speech? You have been the most vociferous opponent against my comments.

What I will say though is in each and every situation I’ve ever seen on a forum like this no one backs down because it’s not a real place and effectively anonymous. And so it spirals down and on and on, and on... ad nauseam - ad infinitum... I don’t want that either; it’s boring.

OK, so you suggest I stop criticising the abusers, while they are allowed to continue?
As before, I was banned and the abusers were allowed to continue. Indeed, the fact they called for my banning, and I was, encouraged them to believe that it's OK to abuse!

 

[Big Tone]

You have been the most vociferous opponent against my comments.

If I have it’s only because you keep misrepresenting me!

But okay, blame it all on me!

As before, I was banned and the abusers were allowed to continue. Indeed, the fact they called for my banning, and I was, encouraged them to believe that it's OK to abuse!

Okay, so not "all on me" then!

If anything, I have probably helped 'your cause' and kept you here longer, (no such thing as bad publicity). Not that it was my intention. On that note, since you think I’m such an a-hole, I’ll bid you goodbye and good luck. Call it a win if you want. But don't ask me anymore questions!