Confused by new kitchen lights

[Bensgotstuck]

Had a kitchen refit recently and an electrician ran some new wiring around the room for multiple wall lights. I now can’t get the lights working. Apologies if this is really obvious but it’s just not making sense to me at the moment, looked at various wiring diagram’s on here to see if anything helps but I’m still stuck!

The old black and red wiring on the right hand switch is working fine and operates a couple of lights in a downstairs shower room. The new wiring on the left seems to be completely dead, no power running through the cables as far as I can tell. The black and red wires at the top going in to the Wagos are live and I assume these were old wires that were going to a ceiling light in the kitchen that has been removed in the refit.

So how do I get this working? Thanks

 

[SUNRAY]

There is a very slim possibility that putting the blue into the Wago with the black and putting the top red into the switch instead of the blue may possibly work if the electrician prepared for it.

Otherwise you may have to access the area where the old light used to be.

This is verging on guesswork though.

 

[pete01]

I'd get the electrician back, when he comes back tell him you want a new switch aswell, looking a bit old that one for a new job?

 

[Bensgotstuck]

There is a very slim possibility that putting the blue into the Wago with the black and putting the top red into the switch instead of the blue may possibly work if the electrician prepared for it.

Otherwise you may have to access the area where the old light used to be.

This is verging on guesswork though.

Thanks Sunray

If that’s not how the electrician prepared it what’s the worst that’s likely to happen from giving it a try?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

If that’s not how the electrician prepared it what’s the worst that’s likely to happen from giving it a try?

BANG!

 

[pete01]

After reading it again I would do what sunray suggested, turn the power off first obviously.

But also as he said its a guess

 

[chivers67]

The Way that's been terminated looks a little poor, the Brown has too much copper on show, is that black terminated into the switch got damaged insulation?
I don't know why the grey outer sheath hasn't been stripped back more so there's more room in the back box.

 

[securespark]

Why didn't the spark leave everything working?

 

[SUNRAY]

Why didn't the spark leave everything working?

I read it as electrical work done, refit, OP to install lights.

Other than that other guesswork.

 

[morqthana]

Why didn't the spark leave everything working?

I read it as electrical work done, refit, OP to install lights.

Yeah, but why didn't he leave everything (i.e. all the cables to the points where the homeowner was going to put wall lights) working?

 

[SUNRAY]

Yeah, but why didn't he leave everything (i.e. all the cables to the points where the homeowner was going to put wall lights) working?

Do we doubt that he didn't?

Without being there to test or adequate testing ability by OP:
Being optimistic I hope (and yes we all know what assuming does) is that he may have prepared everything to make later works run smothly and that he may have run all the cables into place and that he may have fitted a Wago box where the ceiling light was and that he may have reconfigured the old switchdrop to a live supply.

Of course being pessimistic I could assume he is a horrible money grabbing bar steward and did not prepare everything to make later works run smothly and that he didn't run all the cables into place and that he didn't reconfigure the old switchdrop to a live supply when he fitted a Wago box where the ceiling light was.

I know which of the 2 options I would have done if requested and I'm happy to accept there are othe concientious members out there.

Until OP comes back with anything further we can only guess.

 

[Bensgotstuck]

Why didn't the spark leave everything working?

I was left with cable sticking out the walls where lights were intended to go. The plan being I’d connect up the lights once we’d settled on what we wanted.

Why it wasn’t connected up at the switch I don’t know. I can only assume so as not to leave live wires sticking out the wall??

 

[securespark]

He didn't explain any of this?

 

[morqthana]

Do we doubt that he didn't?

Well something isn't working, but that's not the point.

When securespark asked "Why didn't the spark leave everything working?" you said it was because the job was "electrical work, refit, OP to install lights."

Now you're suggesting that that might not be the reason, but it might be because his horse was getting restless.

Without being there to test or adequate testing ability by OP:
Being optimistic I hope (and yes we all know what assuming does) is that he may have prepared everything to make later works run smothly and that he may have run all the cables into place and that he may have fitted a Wago box where the ceiling light was and that he may have reconfigured the old switchdrop to a live supply.

Of course being pessimistic I could assume he is a horrible money grabbing bar steward and did not prepare everything to make later works run smothly and that he didn't run all the cables into place and that he didn't reconfigure the old switchdrop to a live supply when he fitted a Wago box where the ceiling light was.

I know which of the 2 options I would have done if requested and I'm happy to accept there are othe concientios members out there.

Until OP comes back with anything further we can only guess.

 

[SUNRAY]

Well something isn't working, but that's not the point.

When securespark asked "Why didn't the spark leave everything working?" you said it was because the job was "electrical work, refit, OP to install lights."

Now you're suggesting that that might not be the reason, but it might be because his horse was getting restless.

I'm not suggesting any such thing, I'm still firmly of the opinion

I read it as electrical work done, refit, OP to install lights.

Other than that other guesswork.

I'll expand that to:
I read it as first fix electrical work done,
Kitchen refit including second fix,
Cabling installed during first fix for OP to install their lights when appropriate. - This line seems to have been confirmed with:

I was left with cable sticking out the walls where lights were intended to go. The plan being I’d connect up the lights once we’d settled on what we wanted.

Why it wasn’t connected up at the switch I don’t know. I can only assume so as not to leave live wires sticking out the wall??