Diy house rewire

[markus2025]

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[pete01]

If it were easy everyone would do it correctly, even some electricians are shyte at it.

Do it then get an eicr done, if you are as good as you think and I hope you are, all good

 

[markus2025]

Thats what i mean though please tell me the bits what are not easy lol


covering what i have said earlier in my post about the board choice the rcbo ratings the cable choice clipped direct etc


like when we are talking a mess are we talking getting all the loops mixed up and for example putting the L out of one ring to the N out of another


mess ups like that ?


wiring all the rcbo neutral fly leads to the earth block these sort of mess ups ?


not making sure the rcbo is correctly seated on the copper din rail ?


like i want to know these shocking messy dangerous setups

 

[JohnW2]

Yeah i mean my first route was gonna be just do it myself get a eicr and that be that

As has been said, I'm sure that's what many people in your position would probably do.

.... but call me what you like im not gonna settle for anyone telling me no matter how many certificates that they have that the rewire of a small domestic house is very complex...

As I've said, it's actually a lot more a matter of just 'plain bureaucracy' than you imply. As I've said, even a practising electrician with extensive knowledge and skills, countless certificates and many years of experience would be 'breaking the law' if he/she undertook notifiable work without that work being notified. However, the work would suddenly become legal if the same person became 'self-certifying' (really 'self-notifying') by joining a CPScheme (which they could easily do) - the only difference being that they would then be paying the CPS subscription!

so im not gonna ever take it from someone to say that is a massive complex task that should only be carried out by a fully trained spark not that anyone on here has said that but its the genral way ....

I don't think that (m)any of the folk here would suggest that. Whilst it is only right that people should be made aware of what, strictly speaking, is legally required (so they can decide whether they wish to comply with that law), as far as the work itself is concerned all that really matters is that they have an adequate degree of knowledge, understanding and 'competence' to undertake the work satisfactorily and safely.

You also need to realise that, sad (but probably inevitable) though it is, there are some practising (and allegedly 'fully-trained') electricians with less knowledge, understanding or 'competence' than some of the non-electricians here (and it might surprise you to know which of us regulars here are 'non-electricians'.

 

[morqthana]

Yeah ok so depending if your wiring to the switch with neutral at the switch or wiring to the pendants and using the blue wire as a switched live etc please tell me the complicity pete

I'm not involved with or responsible for anything you do.

 

[securespark]

BC are there to determine if the work is done properly, not whether those doing the work are suitable to do it.

When I was working, I spoke to my BC with a view to a rewire of my gaff.

Explained that I was qualified with C&G 236 and I&T with 15th, 16th and 17th updates. Further mentioned that I was working for a company where I was doing notifiable work.

The head of Building Control pompously insisted that there was no way that I could rewire my own house without assuming the DIY route where I would submit full written plans with full drawings including all cable routes, joist hole dimensions etcetera, circuit details, cable sizes and then they would send an electrician round of their choosing at regular intervals to inspect and later test at a huge extra cost to myself on top of their fees.

No amount of reasoned discussion would change the guy's mind.

 

[pete01]

Thats what i mean though please tell me the bits what are not easy lol

It takes a certain finesse that believe it or not only comes with experience.

Do it you might be a natural

 

[morqthana]

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They seem, on the basis of that, to be one of the more enlightened ones.

[Subject to what they are hiding behind "minumum" fees...]

And assuming that the electricians actually do what they say they do, Third Party Certification might be a goer.

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[JohnW2]

The head of Building Control pompously insisted that there was no way that I could rewire my own house without assuming the DIY route where I would submit full written plans with full drawings including all cable routes, joist hole dimensions etcetera, circuit details, cable sizes and then they would send an electrician round of their choosing at regular intervals to inspect and later test at a huge extra cost to myself on top of their fees.

That seems to imply that he believed that he could 'reject' a Buildings Notice that had been submitted (together with fee) - something which I did not think was possible?

In any event, why on earth did he feel that you were not adequately qualified, experienced and competent to do the work?

 

[securespark]

IDK what he was thinking. Hence the lengthy discussion. But he was not budging.

As far as he was concerned, he said, I was a DIYer.

I even offered to come to his office in person with my certificates and personal test equipment, but I got snubbed.

I'm at a complete loss to explain his response!

 

[markus2025]

IDK what he was thinking. Hence the lengthy discussion. But he was not budging.

As far as he was concerned, he said, I was a DIYer.

I even offered to come to his office in person with my certificates and personal test equipment, but I got snubbed.

I'm at a complete loss to explain his response!

See for me as a true diyer i would be happy with this

The head of Building Control pompously insisted that there was no way that I could rewire my own house without assuming the DIY route where I would submit full written plans with full drawings including all cable routes, joist hole dimensions etcetera, circuit details, cable sizes and then they would send an electrician round of their choosing at regular intervals to inspect and later test

The point to find out is how many times would they want the spark to visit and at what costs

 

[JohnW2]

IDK what he was thinking. Hence the lengthy discussion. But he was not budging. As far as he was concerned, he said, I was a DIYer.

It makes no sense - at least, not to me. Apart from everything else, as I've said, my understanding (albeit perhaps wrong!) is that he/they would not be able to 'reject' (or 'refuse to accept') a submitted Building Notice submission (with fee) even if you were a DIYer.

I even offered to come to his office in person with my certificates and personal test equipment, but I got snubbed. I'm at a complete loss to explain his response!

So am I. It sounds ridiculous and makes no sense. I suspect this guy was going far beyond what he was allowed to do!

 

[JohnW2]

See for me as a true diyer i would be happy with this

As I've just written, I don't think a BCO can behave as secure's did even with a "true DIYer".

The head of Building Control pompously insisted that there was no way that I could rewire my own house without assuming the DIY route where I would submit full written plans with full drawings including all cable routes, joist hole dimensions etcetera, circuit details, cable sizes and then they would send an electrician round of their choosing at regular intervals to inspect and later test

I've never seen or heard of a situation in which an LABC 'demands' a 'Full Plans' application for electrical work - such work is invariably notified by means of a Building Notice.

The point to find out is how many times would they want the spark to visit and at what costs

With my LA (Buckinghamshire CC), there seems to be a fixed fee (payable up-front') for Building Notice applications which includes payment for inspection(s) (presumably however many they see fit). However, there is a note somewhere (which I don't think unreasonable) indicating that that there may be an additional charge for any additional inspections required because their 'routine' inspections have revealed something unsatisfactory which has to be remedied and then re-inspected.