Diy house rewire

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Hi guys so looking for some advice well i say advice i dont mean specific generally views lol i mean the official legal advice on where you stand as a full non qualified diyer who wants to fully rewire there own home the lot new consumer and everything.

am i write in thinking that you can inform the local building control and they will come out and do intital checks and checks along the way (for a fee) then on the final check will issue you with a certificate for the work you have done ?

I know they will be the ones who say got a proper person in there more to it and all that but im wanting to know the actual facts on where you stand diy style :-)
 
I did a small job (wet room) going down the LABC route. The major drawback is time, but it also can end up being more expensive as getting it done by a scheme member.

You complete your request, and pay the fee. They will visit, and want to see plans and tools, at least they did with me. If they think you have the skill, they will give the go ahead, they can refuse if they feel you don't have the skill. Again, they have to decide if you have the skill to inspect and test. If they think you have the skill, and equipment then you do the work then submit the installation certificate, and the completion certificate comes in the post.

If they think you can't inspect and test, then the power will be isolated, you do the work, and they inspect and test at set points during the installation, once the final inspection and testing is done, the power is put back on. If the LABC use a third party inspector, then you pay for him onto of the LABC fee. This is where all the money goes, you can be looking at paying the LABC £100 plus vat or more, and the inspectors £500 plus vat, so it is adding around £1000 to the bill.

Plus, clearly you can't live in the house, as no power.

Even as an industrial electrician, I realised the time it would take to rewire my mother's house, would cost too much in care home charges, so I got a scheme member electrical firm to do the work, all I did was make good the walls after, which reduced the cost quite a lot.
 
Thanks for your detailed reply


yeah see thats what im trying to find out ive bought all the cable consumer unit and rcbo for around £600 its only a small 2 bed single story cottage so not big at all


im guessing a spark would charge anywhere between 3/4k to do the work


if the BC with inspections and testing as ive not got the kit for that comes in at even 600 ive still saved perhaps 2k


the property is fully empty so the need for any power is none


so i just need to get some official figures and obv to know if the local building inspector would deem me suitable to do the install
 
Thanks for your detailed reply


yeah see thats what im trying to find out ive bought all the cable consumer unit and rcbo for around £600 its only a small 2 bed single story cottage so not big at all


im guessing a spark would charge anywhere between 3/4k to do the work


if the BC with inspections and testing as ive not got the kit for that comes in at even 600 ive still saved perhaps 2k


the property is fully empty so the need for any power is none


so i just need to get some official figures and obv to know if the local building inspector would deem me suitable to do the install
You also need to hire calibrated testing equipment, I don't know where hires that out?

As you haven't started yet, you may find an electrician who is happy for you to do the first fix, or more, as long as they can check on it and test..... but you need that agreement before you start.
 
Yeah i wasn't looking to go down the line of even asking a domestic spark to get involved as likey chance as soon as they here Diy and such i presume they be like nooopee.... so wanted to work with me and just the building control i wouldn't be looking to test my self i would be thinking the building control could offer this , or if BC wanted me get a eicr then i could bring a local spark in for that
 
know if the local building inspector would deem me suitable to do the install
BC are there to determine if the work is done properly, not whether those doing the work are suitable to do it.

domestic spark to get involved as likey chance as soon as they here Diy and such i presume they be like nooopee
That is because scheme members are not allowed to notify work done by other people.
However there is nothing to prevent them from offering advice or assistance, or inspecting/testing installations done by others - it's just the notification part that they cannot do.

The usual fail is where people do a whole load of installation work themselves and then call someone to do the mythical 'signing off' which obviously isn't going to happen.


or if BC wanted me get a eicr then i could bring a local spark in for that
That can be done although it's a poor choice as it would be done after the installation was completed, so the majority of it would not be accessible for inspection, and it's then the opinion of whoever does the EICR as to whether what they can see is compliant. Concealed items are unknown, and if any problems are revealed then it's a pile of extra expense and damage to repair them.

The correct document is an installation certificate, and these can have multiple sections for this very reason - those designing, installing, and inspecting/testing a new installation can be different people.
 
The installation certificate can only be completed by persons doing the work, but an electrical installation condition report (EICR) is a very similar form, so often that form is used to report to the LABC although not waiting until the end of the job, it is done at stages through the work. The electrician is selected by the LABC, but you pay for their work, sometimes one is given a selection of approved inspectors/testers, but one can't select any electrician who is a scheme member, as the work is not covered by most scheme memberships.

In Wales, third party inspection is not permitted, in England the law allows it, but to find someone with the scheme membership required is near impossible, as most of the schemes will not permit it, so may be theoretically possible, but in practice unlikely.

My son and I worked in Flintshire, Cheshire, and Liverpool, and the way the LABC worked was very different, Liverpool could not have been more helpful, Flintshire were really a pain, but remember my son and I are both electricians, although commercial not house bashing.

The meters cost around £70 a week to hire, since they need recalibrating after each hire, can't normally hire for less than a week, and the longer hired for, the lower the cost per week. To learn how to inspect and test, I did a course 3 hours per week, for 12 weeks, in fact did 3 courses one after the other, 16th edition as it was then, PAT testing (really called the inspection and testing of in-service electrical equipment) and the C&G 2391 which is inspection and testing of the installation. Back then it was cheap, around £100, now far more expensive, and collages don't want fails, as it affects their rating, so some will only allow electricians on the course.

The LABC is responsible for site safety, so they need to do a risk assessment, which includes assessing your skill, technically maybe they can't refuse, but they can charge each time their selected electrician visits, and this may mean it will cost more to DIY than to get a scheme electrician to do the work. This is down to your LABC, as said some are great, and others are not so helpful. It is so long ago when I did it, not a clue what they would be like now.

Here in Powis, I can go on the council website and view all registered work done on my house, so no way to hide work, but Flintshire seem to be in disarray and work I know was registered does not appear on their website, so it would be hard to show illegal work had been done.

What I did with late mother's old house, was got an electrical firm to do the basic rewire, then I added to it as required latter, doing work which did not require registering. I looked at the paperwork when I sold the house, and there were three lots of work done, and nothing to really say what work had been done by whom, so the paperwork was in real terms useless.
 
I believe the options come down to "fully legal" and "fully illegal"; there isn't much middle ground.

Do you believe that you know what you're doing? Do you for example work in a related field?
 
I got my meters, VC60B.jpgRCD tester ramp.jpgDiffrence line neutral 8 Feb 24 reduced.jpg but the loop impedance tester seems to give wrong results, but the main point is you don't want to finish a circuit, to later find there is something wrong. So you need to test circuit by circuit. Without your own test gear, this is not easy.
 
If you can do it to a good standard just do it and then get an EICR done......bloody electrician just disappeared....nightmare
 
As @pete01 says, unless someone gets hurt, no one is likely to look at the wiring, and question who has done it. And once you have an EICR then, in the main, any problems, and they will look at the person raising the report. So if it follows BS 7671, no one is likely to worry about it until the house is sold.

However, if someone is injured, then one likely to be someone in your own family, and if there is a death, HSE will leave no stone unturned. So what it comes down to, is how sure are you that you can do it right?

If I re-wired this house, then unless I tell the LABC, it would be just as illegal as you doing it without telling them. But with 50 years in the trade, I am less likely to make errors.
 
Thanks again guys for the advice


im not in the field of electrics no


but im also not a saturday morning have a go steven


ive did all fields of diy jobs with electrics and plumbing watched and read alot aswell


if it was a commercial job i wouldn't even been considering doing a rewire my self


but as ive mentioned its a small 2 bed cottage for myself


folk shout there is so much more to it but if i gave some basic points here


10 way rcbo consumer unit


32amp rcbo for 2.5mm twin and earth ring for the 2 bed rooms


32amo rcbo for 2.5mm twin and earth ring for the kitchen


32amp 6mm radial run cable running to the cooker switch


6amp rcbo with 1.5mm twin and earth running one way daisy chain bedroom lights


6amp rcbo with 1.5mm twin and earth running one way daisy chain for living room and kitchen and dining room light


16mm earth bonding coming out to gas meter/boiler/pipes


rcbos fit into consumer unit din rail in the bottom to specific torx


brown to live out blue to neutral out and live din rain at the bottom


earths to earth block in consumer ( sheathed) same in metal back boxes aswell


rcbo fixed lead up to neutral block in consumer


all cable clipped and ring not to exceed 100 sqaure meter and obv not designed silly like having 5 sockets all on one section of the ring


like is there really more to it that im missing as when ive looked and read i cant really see much more


so when we talk diy competence are we talking that you know not to put the blue in the brown or get the earth the wrong way around ?
 

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