Does part P go far enough?

Hands up all those home DIYers that have all of the test equipment to satisfy the requirements of BS7671, EWR1989 etc. In addition, that have the training, knowledge and experience to use such equipment? Inaddition, they have (or have access to) the relevant publications.

I have all the test equipment to satisfy the requirements of BS7671 or access to them, have the knowledge and experience to use such equipment and also have the relevant publications. I would say I have training but I do not have my 17th edition. I did do testing and inspection to 16th edition. I also have a ONC in electronic and electrical engineering and the frst year of a degree in electronic and electrical engineering and back off to uni to finish it off. At most at the moment I am a very compitent DIY'er.

I know what I am doing and I know it is safe.
 
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Hands up all those home DIYers that have all of the test equipment to satisfy the requirements of BS7671, EWR1989 etc. In addition, that have the training, knowledge and experience to use such equipment? Inaddition, they have (or have access to) the relevant publications.

Can I put my hand up?

I meet all the critera above, and as I can't self certify, does that mean when I work at home I'm doing DIY?
 
Hands up all those home DIYers that have all of the test equipment to satisfy the requirements of BS7671, EWR1989 etc. In addition, that have the training, knowledge and experience to use such equipment? Inaddition, they have (or have access to) the relevant publications.

I have all the test equipment to satisfy the requirements of BS7671 or access to them, have the knowledge and experience to use such equipment and also have the relevant publications. I would say I have training but I do not have my 17th edition. I did do testing and inspection to 16th edition. I also have a ONC in electronic and electrical engineering and the frst year of a degree in electronic and electrical engineering and back off to uni to finish it off. At most at the moment I am a very compitent DIY'er


I know what I am doing and I know it is safe.


You could get registered on a scheme couldnt you ?
 
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Think its bad for DIYers there are sparks out there that have served apprentiships sat through years of college worked on everything from power stations to bedsits and then one day they woke up and were told they couldnt do any work in there own home let alone anyone elses before they took some more tests and bits of paper.I got no problem taking tests but it is far worse to be trained and tested for 5 -6 years then being told you aint fit to put a 1.5 lighting circuit in your own house.
 
Thats the position I'm in at the moment.

I mainly do specialist commercial installations, and do not do domestic work.
I work for a firm, so have no need / reason to register as a DI.

I am apprentice trained, with 10 years in the trade. I own a full test kit, have all the qualifications etc.

I broke the law last weekend by adding a socket in my garage at home.*
I know it is safe, and fully compliant with BS7671 (and then some :LOL:), but it has not been notified, so does not comply with the buildings regs.
 
So where would you draw a line to what should or should not be DIY
You draw the line at the point where accidents and other losses start to become unacceptable, provided the cost of drawing the line is not out of proportion to the losses it will prevent.

Regarding Part P, there never was a safety case for restrictions on DIY electrical work.

"Safety at any cost" is not a workable idea.


and how would you know when you knew what you were doing was right
How do people know when they are doing anything right?

All you can do is to look for evidence that, as a whole, there's a problem with them not getting it right, and provide as much information as possible to assist them.
 
BAS I would say that to be able to say I know what I am doing is right there must be a standard based on knowledge and experience of whatever it is you are doing to compare it against.As DIY electricians only do a bit here and a bit there I am not sure they are in a possition to judge 100% they have done the right thing{not implying they dont]So there fore having someone who has a better understanding and knowledge check that work is not such a bad thing.Like I said imagine how them sparks feel they have done the work all day every day.
Unfortunatly things change it didnt used to be illegal to drink and drive I am glad it is now though other things car seats for kids etc.
No one can say whether lives and property is being saved as yet due to part p as its not been about long enough to be judged.
Dont get me wrong I aint to happy about it myself but all the shouting in the world wont change it.
 
Sorry as another point of interest do you do your own or your families MOT on there cars or do you just maybe do the work and let someone else MOT it
 
As a member of the IET and an electronics engineer i understand electricity more than most people, but still researching the field of domestic electrics has highlighted to me just how much knowledge and experience is needed to do the job 'right', most DIY jobs are not done right, if part P puts people who dont know what they are doing off then that side of it is good, but then the worst offenders will carry on.

For me part P is a pain theres a couple of small electrical jobs i could do with doing around the house that technically would need notifying, the cost of which is frustrating.

when buying a house I would be a lot happier if the electrics were all certified and notified. building regulations are (generally) good for a buyer.

its a mine field, the cost is the biggest bug bears for me.
 
If there was a part p for cars, you would not be allowed to fit a car stereo, an alarm, or do any electric work at all. The car itself would probably be classed a special location (after all, its outside and exposed to the rain).

There is the MOT, which is quite cheap, compared to how much it would cost to get extensive electrical work checked/approved etc. The mot covers quite a lot of points, and still stays a reasonable price.

But the law does not stop you from doing any work, you can do what you want to your car, as long as it passes its mot.

Out of interest (as its years since I last had a car) do MOT stations check the eproms in cars to make sure they have not been modifed by boy racers?

Do they they check *all* they electrics (to ensure a dodgy self installed alarm or sound system etc wont kill the cars electrics when its driving down the motorway... Do they use things like xray, and high zoom microscopes to check the metal work for fatique? Or do they still just poke it with a screwdriver and if it does not go through its structurally fine?

A DIYer who is doing a job above his or her capabilities is likely to do the job anyway regardless of part p (and with part p they may be less likely to ask for help, in case someone shops them......)

They may also be less likely to point out to new buyers any work that they did themselves, not wanting to get done due to part P. Without part P they would have no fears of mentioning any diy work that was done, so at least the buyer is kept informed of what has been done, and where...
 
Thing is if you pay thge money and get on the scheme you wont have to pay out again for your own work and can do a few things for other people to get the costs back.Napit will register more than one person for a reduced fee I am sure if you chip in with someone else the cost wont be that bad
 
I dont know wrongs and rights its happened I am going to register I see both sides but you cant beat the system we tried in the eighties and the police state got in through the back door nothing we can do now
 

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