electrician credentials

[denso13]

EDIT: sorry, missed off checking that main protective bonding is either fitted and effective or not required. I assume you know when it is or isn't required ?

Yes. But the law for Gas says that if there is no obvious main gas bonding then the customer should be advised to get someone competent in to check it. Gas law doesn't cover anything electrical.

 

[SimonH2]

When plugging in a cooker? I must say I didn't know that.

Every day is a learning day if you want it to be

I said plugging in a cooker.

Which is installing and commisioning it. Or, conversely, would you argue that no gas tests or knowledge are needed if a new gas cooker is "just plugged in" ?

Do I need to do that for my "hoover" as well?

Some differences, such as the cleaner being a Class II appliance so doesn't need an earth. So that removes the need to check polarity & Zs, and as it has no connection to gas or water pipes, no need to check bonding.
And, assuming you regularly inspect your cleaner as part of your safety processes (ISITEE, previously known as PAT) then it could be argued that omitting RCD testing doesn't present a significant risk.

All that is a different situarion to installing a Class I appliance that's going to be left for an "ordinary person" to use for an indefinite time with no formal inspection and test regime.

Yes. But the law for Gas says that if there is no obvious main gas bonding then the customer should be advised to get someone competent in to check it. Gas law doesn't cover anything electrical.

Law, or CoP ?
And would that be "go ahead and fit, advise client", or "refuse to fit" ?

And as mentioned previously, just because it's not covered by the gas law or CoP, doesn't mean the gas engineer is exempt from it.

 

[denso13]

, conversely, would you argue that no gas tests or knowledge are needed if a new gas cooker is "just plugged in" ?

No, gas cookers don't need testing if a cooker is unplugged or plugged in. Homeowners can do it, legally.

Some differences, such as the cleaner being a Class II appliance so doesn't need an earth. So that removes the need to check polarity & Zs, and as it has no connection to gas or water pipes, no need to check bonding.
And, assuming you regularly inspect your cleaner as part of your safety processes (ISITEE, previously known as PAT) then it could be argued that omitting RCD testing doesn't present a significant risk.

Oh no I've gone and booked and emergency electrical engineer to check all my plugged in appliances are safe, and the copper in the wires is metallurgically ok. He asked me if I was serious, but I insisted

Law, or CoP ?
And would that be "go ahead and fit, advise client", or "refuse to fit" ?

I thought you would know that seeing as you can solder pipes,

 

[denso13]

And as mentioned previously, just because it's not covered by the gas law or CoP, doesn't mean the gas engineer is exempt from it.

I have never claimed they are. Are your shoulders not sore by moving the goalposts on every post?

 

[ericmark]

The problem is when some one in authority is alerted and they require some expensive change.

I was watching a video about this with solar panels and batteries, and it did seem really daft, an inverter fitted rated at 10 kW but in the software reduced to 3.xx can't remember the figure, but it was the maximum export allowed, they had been told there were upgrades in the pipe line, so it could be reconfigured once done, but it seems the inverter was not registered for use in the software reduced form, so had to be ripped out and two 5 kW inverters replaced it, and just one set to export the full 5 kW, so in real terms exporting more.

No court case, it was simple, comply or we will disconnect the supply, even the DNO guy admitted it made no sense, but he insisted the change was made.

Back when I first started, to get a supply, the DNO as it was back then, would inspect the installation, and if it did not comply, you would not get your connection. Over the years, the situation became more relaxed, often getting a supply to an empty consumer unit, with maybe one socket.

But it seems, they can still refuse a supply, maybe rare, but they still it seems can. We also have the LABC who can identify poor installations, but they it would seem need to use the courts to force their point, but in the main, the threat is enough.

As to fitting a generator outside, and not connecting to the grid, not sure what can be done? We are at the moment seeing a battle between councils and central government over EV charging. With cables over the pavement. And also some debate over plug-in solar, as to what is allowed.

Even consumer protection has brought a case against passing and electrical installation as safe when it was not, so we don't even know who the Policemen are.

To my mine my credentials work against me, as I can hardly say I didn't know it was dangerous. My qualifications show I do know, yet still I have a battle getting the LABC to accept my signature, I did in the end, but it was not easy.

Personally I don't care what the regulations say, I want a safe installation, even if I could use just 2 RCDs I would say the risk of being plunged into darkness is too high, so all RCBOs in my home, but as to type A, only 2 changed, and that only because needed changing anyway.

Bring back @ban-all-sheds all is forgiven.

 

[denso13]

Bring back @ban-all-sheds all is forgiven.