Ending inequality in UK

[ajohn]

There is a need to be careful about crime figures. A for instance. It was noticed that crime figures increased along with people having phones installed to such an extent that it could be viewed that land lines were the cause of the crime. Obviously not - more crime was reported. Detection methods can improve. But something about society can change them as well. Might just be that increases are localised into more densely populated areas. There is plenty of info on the ONS site if anyone wants to look into it.

 

[securespark]

Crime is to do with the decline of Christianity and its influence in Britain, and the concomitant weakening of law and order.

I think the reasons for the increase in crime are manifold.
But I find it hard to believe that the decline in Christianity is to blame.
And why is the weakening of law and order associated with it?
Hard though it can be for some people who are religious, there are many many "Godless" people in the world who know how to live their lives and know right from wrong.
They don't need preaching to frighten them into compliance with some book.
I may well change my mind, but at the moment, I feel that religion is viewed by many as a way of ensuring they are in the club once "this" life is over. Some people seem worried/ scared that once they die, there is nothing else to look forward to. Doing "the right thing" by a chosen religion assures them a place in the afterlife.

 

[ajohn]

A lot of aspects about religion has it's routes in power over people. Then comes interpretation. Just about all have tried to eradicate others. Jesus and others crop up in several so there are similarities.

I don't think truly devote Christianity has been around that much for a very long time so can't see how it can have much to do with increases in crime.

 

[JP_]

Crime is to do with the decline of Christianity and its influence in Britain

Nothing to do with it. The huge driver of violent crime and theft in the UK is drugs, and that in itself is driven by poverty - easy way to make money if you have no qualifications and enjoy violence. Pretty sure cocaine and heroin were not that popular in the 16th century.

Anyway, if Christianity stopped crime, why are confessionals so widely used by criminals?

 

[EFLImpudence]

It depends on the definition of Christianity.

Anyone like to have a go?

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Do you attend church regularly?

I attend irregularly.

I'm not much of a congregant and I'm not keen on all the standing up and singing, then sitting down, then standing up again etc, but the music can be magnificent when played and sung well (by others!) I prefer to go in to a church and sit quietly, look up to the heavens and take it all in, I love churches and cathedrals. In any town I visit I will always try to go to the churches, or at least their grounds, the churches are always the best part of a town. (As are the pubs...)

You should try it DP, you have one of the world's finest churches on your doorstep - but have you ever been in it? We are all of us in "the building trade" one way or another, and churches are the finest examples of building that we have. Surely that can be conceded even by the non-religious?

 

[durhamplumber]

but have you ever been in it?

Yes,been in DURHAM Cathedral several times,ever since I was a kid.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

But I find it hard to believe that the decline in Christianity is to blame.

You would find it hard to believe because you are so far removed from Christian Britian - and yet you have lived off its capital all your life.

I may well change my mind

That's the best thing you've ever said! Now turn the telly off and become a free thinker.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

It depends on the definition of Christianity.

Anyone like to have a go?

Two World Wars were fought and won in its name and to conserve the civilisation it created. The civilisation that has given you all the peace, security and happiness that you take for granted, but that you seek to undermine.

How's that for starters?

 

[JohnD]

Two World Wars were fought and won in its name

The nations that lost included some that were nominally Christian

The nations that won included some that were nominally Christian.

What do you deduce from that?

 

[JohnD]

It depends on the definition of Christianity.

Anyone like to have a go?

Start with the Nicene Creed.

 

[fillyboy]

It depends on the definition of Christianity.

Anyone like to have a go?

No, I think it's a load of old ****** and retreated from it at the earliest convenience. About three years ago I wandered into Truro Cathedral, not having seen the inside before. I found myself putting some money in a tin and lighting a candle for me old mum, I might have murmered something like 'God rest her soul', I think I went through those motions simply because I know that's what she would have done were I dead and she was alive, dunno.
Much as I didn't believe, and at times despised religion, I know it brought my mum a lot of comfort and I wouldn't seek to take that away from anyone.

Although a non believer, about 15 years ago I got caught in a force 7 sailing from Barmouth to Aberystwyth and convinced I was going to Die, I did say a little prayer, I think I was hedging my bets, just in case like.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Start with the Nicene Creed.

Nope, not much help.

Would a Christian country follow all the bible or just the bits after Jesus (Christ) or just the bits that the Pope and others say are still valid?


Much like suicide is against the teachings of Islam but to justify 'suicide' bombers some bloke said 'suicide' bombing wasn't 'suicide' but martyrdom so go on kill yourself, it's not 'suicide' - all ok then.

 

[noseall]

You should try it DP, you have one of the world's finest churches on your doorstep - but have you ever been in it? We are all of us in "the building trade" one way or another, and churches are the finest examples of building that we have. Surely that can be conceded even by the non-religious?

I agree. I always find myself looking upward or sideways or anyways other than towards the priest. They are fascinating buildings. St Peters Basilica in Rome is awe inspiring as is the Pantheon.

 

[noseall]

I'm not much of a congregant

You're not much of a Christian either.