Farage talks garbage...

[ellal]

Nothing new of course...

But come clean that he's onboard with the whole chlorinated chicken from the US/lower food standards crap...

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"Nigel Farage has defended allowing labelled chlorinated chicken from the US into the UK as part of a trade deal"

So he would like a race to the bottom in food standards that brexiteers said wouldn't happen...

Any don't forget, many of those brexiteers want garbage as their next PM!

He would like the meat labelled, but the majority of shoppers can only afford to look at one label - the price label!

As for his claims on this subject?

He told the Sunday Times: “If you have a look at the chicken we are currently importing from Thailand, you look at the conditions they’ve been reared in"

Indeed some knowledgeable people have...


"Shoppers who care about animal welfare should shun standard British chicken and buy meat imported from thousands of miles away in Thailand, according to the RSPCA.

Britain's biggest animal welfare charity said that the standards in two of the biggest poultry exporters, Thailand and Brazil, were generally higher than in basic UK production"

Thus he's lying again!

As for UK farmers?

Asked how he would prevent British chicken farmers being undercut by cheap producers from the US, he said: “I want to promote British farming as being a high-end product. I think the growth of farmers’ markets, they are a much more discerning audience that wants to know where their meat comes from. I don’t think British farmers have anything to fear from this long term.”

So British farmers keeping to UK high standards so the minority can still get premium meat whilst the majority in practice have no choice...

And what is this 'long term' he talks about?

Probably the same 50 years that was promised for any mythical 'brexit bonus', but by then British farmers will be long gone!

Oh and don't forget, this is not the only thing he wants to give to the US...

He's in favour of a privatised healthcare system in the UK!

 

[Justin Passing]

Seems Farage isn't talking borrix entirely, the chlorinated solution isn't a problem.
But the US standards are lower, .It's hard to compare but they have been assessed as having more pathogens.
Get Panorama on it.

Then put a inspection fee on it so it is not cheaper. Stick a big F off label with starts and stripes on it. Nobody will buy it.

 

[ajrtd]

UK grown salad crops are washed in chlorine.

I bought some chicken Brest from the supermarket on friday that had been pumped full of some muck. I won't be buying that again.

 

[Justin Passing]

In smelly parts of the world you put chlorine tablets in your drinking water. And LIVE!.

The issue is that they might/do disregard healthy practice in other part of the procuction because the Cl wash kills surface bacteria, so it's thought other things "don't matter". As that BBC thing says, though, it doesn't kill them all.

 

[fillyboy]

Seems Farage isn't talking borrix entirely, the chlorinated solution isn't a problem.
But the US standards are lower, .It's hard to compare but they have been assessed as having more pathogens.
Get Panorama on it.

Then put a inspection fee on it so it is not cheaper. Stick a big F off label with starts and stripes on it. Nobody will buy it.

Quite. Canada take in a lot of American chicken, consumers are happy to have a cheaper option whilst more discerning shoppers can opt for a higher grade or free range. The chlorination isn't a problem.
The EU's beef with the US seems to be the higher number of chickens per cage or area which can lead to less sanitary conditions, something remedied by chlorination.

 

[securespark]

But is it?

Does chlorination rid the bird of bacteria?

 

[fillyboy]

But is it?

Does chlorination rid the bird of bacteria?

Surface bacteria yes.

Does having six birds in a cage instead of ten (or whatever) rid the birds of bacteria?

 

[securespark]

Don't cage them.

Simple.

 

[fillyboy]

Don't cage them.

Simple.

Would be a nice idea, but only the very wealthy would be able to afford chicken.

 

[denso13]

Does having six birds in a cage instead of ten (or whatever) rid the birds of bacteria?

In part yes, better animal welfare standards produce healthier animals. The chlorine is only used to try and kill bacteria after it has infected the animals. Better not to be infected in the first place.

 

[Mottie]

He would like the meat labelled, but the majority of shoppers can only afford to look at one label - the price label!

Then it's those people that need educating. Will they be forced to eat chlorinated chicken? I won’t be buying any chlorine washed chicken, will you? It’s not exactly expensive now - you can buy a chicken for less than a fiver already. I suppose you will say that you only eat hand reared, corn fed, free range cuddled to death chickens.

 

[transam]

Higher food standards

Blimey I recall when horse meat was dressed up as beef coming into the UK from the EU

Chlorinated chicken don’t want it don’t buy it
Simples

Animal welfare standards in the EU

Yeah right

Food standards hmmm Chinese any one

Yes exactly

 

[Justin Passing]

But is it?

Does chlorination rid the bird of bacteria?

That BBC link I gave, is a bit cryptic because the figures as they point out, arent quite measuring the same thing, but they say:

Chlorine does reduce the bacteria on chicken, although by how much is disputed - the World Health Organization has highlighted that studies on the effectiveness of chlorine treatment give mixed results, external.

A study from the University of Southampton, external last year found that chlorine could make food-borne pathogens undetectable, giving lower microbial counts in testing, but without actually killing them - so they might remain capable of causing disease.

The study (280 pages or so) doesn't actually address the comparison we'd be looking for.

The inference I draw is that however well your disinfectant might kill all the bugs on the surface, if less hygenic conditions have been maintained then pathogens may lurk inside. On the face of it, their conditions would tend to greater infection. How much - no idea.

As far as illnesses go, there are contradictory numbers

A study published in the UK in 2014, external commissioned by the government estimated that there were about 34,000 cases of salmonella from food per year or about 55 per 100,000 people, based on 2009 data. A US study published in 2011, external - and using data from 2002-2008 - estimated that there were just over a million cases of salmonella each year - a rate of about 350 per 100,000 people.

For campylobacter, the UK study estimated 280,000 cases - about 450 cases per 100,000 people. The US study estimated 845,024 cases of campylobacter or about 300 cases per 100,000 people.

But it is hard to make comparisons between two different studies that use different methodologies.

The US method appears to lead to more salmonella but less campylobacter.
The numbers aren't all that different though, and neither is near zero. So whether it means much, I dunno.

I suppose you might conclude that as neither Yanks nor Limeys are dying on mass from chicken infections, both methods are reasonable.

I must say we tend to buy British if there's a reasonable choice, acknowledging that some would see the price first.

 

[securespark]

BTW, there's nowt wrong with horse, providing you're paying less for it and you know what you're getting.

 

[fillyboy]