Flag dynamics

[SUNRAY]

Indeed - but, as I wrote earlier, one solution would be for large numbers of people to fly the flag, thereby diluting the 'abusers' to such an extent that there would be no adverse 'connotations' (and nor much point in continuing 'abuse of the flag' by a tiny minority).

Whilst I can understand what you say of yourself, as I've said I really don't think that we should allow the behaviour of a tiny minority to dictate what can comfortably be done by the majority (or reduce the 'freedom of choice' of that majority).

The only problem with that proposal is those who have hijacked will assume the flying masses are agreeing with them and the non flying masses will easily be persuaded the same thing.
Personally I currently have 2 St George flags flying but my habits haven't changed and my neighbours know that, I just hope strangers don't think otherwise.

 

[Ollyfp]

Unfortunately the flag has been hijacked.

It is sad, because I currently will NOT fly a flag, for any reason, simply because of the connotations that go with it.

Sad times indeed.

I say screw the connotations (over which you have no control) and just do what you feel is right!

 

[Ollyfp]

I'd like to fly a pair of panties from my flagpole, but the connotations of that are just strange. Lol

 

[SUNRAY]

I'd like to fly a pair of panties from my flagpole, but the connotations of that are just strange. Lol

We do that quite often, a long row including socks, shirts etc

 

[Odds]

We do that quite often, a long row including socks, shirts etc

you must have a v. patriotic wardrobe.

 

[JohnW2]

The only problem with that proposal is those who have hijacked will assume the flying masses are agreeing with them and the non flying masses will easily be persuaded the same thing.

Maybe - but the larger became the 'flying masses', the smaller would become the non-flying masses who might be so persuaded ... and I don't give a jot about what the 'hijackers' might choose to 'assume'

 

[SUNRAY]

Oh my goodness, I've just realised something; my local footbal club had a home game during the week so I left their flag flying while I was away for a few days. My poles are basically a couple of inches into the ground and tied to the concrete fence post at 6ft, there is also a shrub which has grown to be substantial against the pole and quite effectively holding it in place

When I changed the flag to a St George for the weekend events I found the cord holding the pole was missing, it was definitely there last Sunday when I changed the flags.
I assumed it had abraded through against the sharp edge and fallen. I didn't think too much about it as the rope/pulley had worn and jammed and concentrated on getting the pole down to effect a repair. I really hope not but suddenly it makes me wonder if it was sabotage as I haven't seen the damaged cord.

 

[Ollyfp]

Oh my goodness, I've just realised something; my local footbal club had a home game during the week so I left their flag flying while I was away for a few days. My poles are basically a couple of inches into the ground and tied to the concrete fence post at 6ft, there is also a shrub which has grown to be substantial against the pole and quite effectively holding it in place

When I changed the flag to a St George for the weekend events I found the cord holding the pole was missing, it was definitely there last Sunday when I changed the flags.
I assumed it had abraded through against the sharp edge and fallen. I didn't think too much about it as the rope/pulley had worn and jammed and concentrated on getting the pole down to effect a repair. I really hope not but suddenly it makes me wonder if it was sabotage as I haven't seen the damaged cord.

Well, there are some strange people about. Keep us posted. We like a mystery.

 

[morqthana]

You suggested that the English flag shouldn't be flown because it has been adopted by 'far right thugs'

I suggested that people who do fly it should be aware of its associations.

BUT you CAN fly a flag that has been adopted by a proscribed terrorist organisation...

It is the flag of Palestine, a country recognized by 147 of the UN's 193 member states. It is a flag which flies outside the UN.

It is not the flag of Hamas - they have their own flag, and BTW they do not recognise the Palestinian Authority.

If Fillyboy can have as his avatar the flag of Israel, a country which according to organisations including the UN, Médecins Sans Frontières, Amnesty International, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, Physicians for Human Rights–Israel, the International Federation for Human Rights, and the International Association of Genocide Scholars is committing genocide in Gaza, and whose prime minister and former Minister of Defense have had arrest warrants issued against them for war crimes and crimes against humanity, then what's wrong with mine?

Make it make sense!

I just have.

Did you know, BTW, that there are several proscribed terrorist organisations who have "adopted" the Union Jack and/or Cross of St. George as part of their imagery?

 

[morqthana]

You seem to understand, or appreciate, that the flag you are using as your avatar, is not only a none British flag, but mostly now associated with that of a proscribed terrorist organisation, in the country you live in.

Is that proscribed terrorist organisation using serious violence or threats to try to influence the government or intimidate the public? If so, could you please point me at reports or evidence of it?

That organisations symbol, BTW, is not the Palestinian flag.

At the very same time, you have wrongly identified me as an extreme right wing fascist, simply for announcing that I am patriotic enough to fly my countries flag, on a pole, at my home. There is nothing extreme, about being proud of, and supporting your own country.

I did not say that you are an extreme right wing fascist - that's a remarkably foolish accusation to make when you know you can't prove it.

I did point out some verifiable facts such as you describing asylum seekers as invaders who should be incarcerated in prison camps, who says that something should be done lest we are forced into having Sharia Law, and compulsory burkas, and the UK becoming the terrorist capital of the world, and who says that ideas such as "gay rights, trans and multiculturalism" are being "rammed down our throats 24x7" - these are all views which you have and cannot deny.

Do they make you an extreme right-wing fascist? Of course they don't.

Do they place you somewhere on the right of the spectrum as someone with xenophobic, Islamophobic, homophobic and trans-phobic views? Of course they do.

Do they justify my observation about what sort of people who are keen on flying the flag often are? Of course they do.

 

[morqthana]

I'd like to fly a pair of panties from my flagpole, but the connotations of that are just strange. Lol

Here you go:

https://t-funny.com/product/women-underwear-panties/?sku=dx_53275416301948_p5_t1_c1

https://www.cafepress.com/+flag_of_palestine_classic_thong,1792548697

 

[SUNRAY]

Well, there are some strange people about. Keep us posted. We like a mystery.

I'm assuming it's just a meeting of ideas, not even a coincidence and find there is nothing untoward when I look and find the bit of cord.

 

[Ollyfp]

Here you go:

https://t-funny.com/product/women-underwear-panties/?sku=dx_53275416301948_p5_t1_c1

https://www.cafepress.com/+flag_of_palestine_classic_thong,1792548697

Perfect! Haha!

 

[Ollyfp]

It is not the flag of Hamas - they have their own flag

Yes, but it's rubbish and it looks like a badly written short essay. That's why many of their supporters opt use the flag of Palestine instead. Nobody has time to read an essay during a skirmish.

 

[Munroast]

It is not the flag of Hamas - they have their own flag, and BTW they do not recognise the Palestinian Authority.

Hamas are the elected and well supported leaders of palestine, so of course the flag you fly so proudly is heavily related to hamas and everything that terrorist organisation does

when i was harassed by thugs at waverly station they were all flying the same colours as you so proudly fly, i certainly relate the two very closely.