FLUELESS PLASMA GAS FIRE THE PROS AND CONS ARE THEY SAFE ???

[doitall]

The real problem PP is not so much with the occupier but any new ones when the sell up and move.

How do they know the history of the fire, and how long before it has to be skipped, I'm sure the seller isn't going to say the fires only good for another 6 months mate.

 

[petit_pablo]

Good point Hadn't looked at it from that point

 

[ollski]

The real problem PP is not so much with the occupier but any new ones when the sell up and move.

How do they know the history of the fire, and how long before it has to be skipped, I'm sure the seller isn't going to say the fires only good for another 6 months mate.

If it is installed now it will be in the hip.

 

[doitall]

If it is installed now it will be in the hip.

That is a very big problem because it gives a false sense of security.

How much use has it had, how good is the cat, another couple of hours perhaps before it starts leaking.

If I moved it would be the first thing out the door.

 

[ollski]

True but how much more dangerous are they than an lfe on a precast flue that is only used every winter when the spiders and wasps have taken up residence in it?. Be bloody mad to use either without a top notch co detector.

 

[doitall]

True but how much more dangerous are they than an lfe on a precast flue that is only used every winter when the spiders and wasps have taken up residence in it?. Be b****y mad to use either without a top notch co detector.

I agree and its about time manufacturers interlocked co detectors with gas valves as a norm.

 

[Flistz]

bg wont install OR service these

It is true to say British Gas will not install flueless fires, but they will "use best endeavours" to service and maintain them.

This is because, where these fires have already been fitted, someone has to service and maintain them (and probably check that they have been installed correctly and with correct ventilation). It may be that one of the main reasons manufacturers are able to promote these fires as being safe is because BG and properly trained RGIs are doing a bloody good job in making sure that they are safe to use.

Out of the last 10 flueless fires I have been called out to service, seven have been left disconnected because of installation faults or inlet pressure not being to manufacturer's instructions. It is therefore surprising that no manufacturer has actually offered free training to RGIs on the installation and servicing of these fire.

 

[sooey]

Out of the last 10 flueless fires I have been called out to service, seven have been left disconnected because of installation faults or inlet pressure not being to manufacturer's instructions. It is therefore surprising that no manufacturer has actually offered free training to RGIs on the installation and servicing of these fire.

Maybe it's cos there selling them in the likes of b&q and aiming them at diyers.[/i]

 

[nickso]

bg wont install OR service these

It is true to say British Gas will not install flueless fires, but they will "use best endeavours" to service and maintain them.

This is because, where these fires have already been fitted, someone has to service and maintain them (and probably check that they have been installed correctly and with correct ventilation). It may be that one of the main reasons manufacturers are able to promote these fires as being safe is because BG and properly trained RGIs are doing a b****y good job in making sure that they are safe to use.

Out of the last 10 flueless fires I have been called out to service, seven have been left disconnected because of installation faults or inlet pressure not being to manufacturer's instructions. It is therefore surprising that no manufacturer has actually offered free training to RGIs on the installation and servicing of these fire.

hmm, we got told not to touch them unless we were chopping them for an obvious defect. no service and no repairs. suits me just fine.

 

[Flistz]

Why is it when the industry talks about flueless fires only Carbon Monoxide is mentioned?
Carbon Dioxide, kills by asphyxiation (lack of oxygen), at 3500 ppm (parts per million) the world health organisation warn that this level will cause long term health effects.
This is exactly what the catalytic converter on a flueless fire is designed to do, change CO to CO2, but no test for CO2 is included in the BS or manufacturers instructions.
Incidently the oxygen depletion device is meant to operate between 800 and 1500ppm CO2, we have tested with an ambient CO2 probe to 2500ppm mid room position and the fire has remained alight.
Throw in Nitrogen dioxide and particulate matter, also not tested for, and we have a recipe for long term health problems, or do you believe the manufacturers who have an obvious interest in selling as many of these appliances as they can, and who will assure you every thing will be ok? But when things go wrong you can bet your bottom dollar they will blame the installer, service engineer, or the user for incorrect installation, servicing or lack of maintenance. They have a one way ticket to profit with no repercussions.

 

[sooey]

Why is it when the industry talks about flueless fires only Carbon Monoxide is mentioned?
Carbon Dioxide, kills by asphyxiation (lack of oxygen), at 3500 ppm (parts per million) the world health organisation warn that this level will cause long term health effects.

They're right again, death is as long term as it gets.

 

[ollski]

bg wont install OR service these

It is true to say British Gas will not install flueless fires, but they will "use best endeavours" to service and maintain them.

This must be quite a new policy change then as a few months ago British gas policy was that they had absolutely no involvement with flueless gas fires. If you have had someone at tsm level overrule this I would say check it out as the company would not support you if it went tts up.

 

[gasman1963]

The technology involved in the design of these has changed considerably over the last 30-40 years. The latest models involve strict CE regulations and have safety devices fitted to them to shut them down if they are not installed correctly.

Are they safe? If these appliances were dangerous you would not be allowed to manufacture and sell them. The GAD is very strict on the design and manufacture of gas appliances hence why only a small number of companies have the technology to manufacture them.

The most important factor when buying a flueless fire is getting it installed by a competant installer.

Flueless Gas Fires are sold all over the World in Countries like Japan and the USA. You can also buy them over the counter in B&Q.

There are lots of models on the market in the UK mostly with a glass screen and filters but also the CVO Fire version which has a open flame.

 

[mickyg]

The technology involved in the design of these has changed considerably over the last 30-40 years. The latest models involve strict CE regulations and have safety devices fitted to them to shut them down if they are not installed correctly.

Are they safe? If these appliances were dangerous you would not be allowed to manufacture and sell them. The GAD is very strict on the design and manufacture of gas appliances hence why only a small number of companies have the technology to manufacture them.

The most important factor when buying a flueless fire is getting it installed by a competant installer.

Flueless Gas Fires are sold all over the World in Countries like Japan and the USA. You can also buy them over the counter in B&Q.

There are lots of models on the market in the UK mostly with a glass screen and filters but also the CVO Fire version which has a open flame.

you've dragged up a 2yr old post to make that your first post on this site...
so.....which fire manufacturer do you work for?

 

[gas4you]

Are they safe? If these appliances were dangerous you would not be allowed to manufacture and sell them. The GAD is very strict on the design and manufacture of gas appliances hence why only a small number of companies have the technology to manufacture them.

What a load of mis-informed cobblers

Manufacturers get the regs made to suit them. Money talks as usual.

Widney fires are a classic example of an unsafe fire being declared safe by the manufacturer inventing his own version of a spillage test