Ginger men who now identifies as a woman.

[Lirefighter]

Why ginger men?

Asking for a friend.

Its the parents I feel sorry for.

 

[warey4life]

No.

So is that the best intelligently argued, rational, fact-based reply you can come up with?

You asked if my wife has a workable definition of "male", which I thought was such a stupid thing to say that I just assumed you must be on drugs.

 

[warey4life]

Maybe you should prioritise expanding your vocabulary over spouting replies which are the consequence of having a narrow one.

Cisgender is just a term a biologist made up to avoid having to use the term 'normal'.

 

[aveatry]

So, just to clarify, your wife would be OK sharing a changing room with this person:

But not this one:

OK.

What we have learned is ----- You got some weird stuff on your computer

 

[warey4life]

So, just to clarify, your wife would be OK sharing a changing room with this person:

But not this one:

OK.

Probably neither.

 

[warey4life]

Did you know that the term "cisgender" was coined in English in 1994 in a Usenet newsgroup about transgender topics when Dana Defosse, then a graduate student, sought a way to refer to non-transgender people that avoided marginalizing transgender people or implying that transgender people were an "other"?

We can't call non-transgender people normal.
I'll start referring to myself as cisgender from now on then.

 

[King Billy]

What about cisgender homosexual men?

The George Michaels of this world?
Precisely. It's been a problem since millenia, and only now there are more concerns about trans entering make spaces than there ever was about the George Michaels.
Don't forget about the cisgender lesbian women as well.
Then there's the cases of a quickie between hetrosexuals.

 

[King Billy]

I think

Really? REALLY?

 

[King Billy]

Because they are men really, dont ya know?

There is no central, official UK database tracking the exact number of men caught entering women's spaces specifically while dressed as women. Incidents are generally reported individually or studied by campaign groups, with instances considered rare,
Public Spaces: While specific statistics are sparse, reports of men entering women-only spaces (such as toilets or changing rooms) are often anecdotal or reported to individual police forces.

So you use anecdotal myths rather than real data on which to base your awareness of the world around you.

No doubt the anti-trans brigade will be along shortly with their own anecdotes.

 

[King Billy]

My wife would prefer there not to be males in female spaces.

I think that goes for most women mate.

Understandable. But transwomen are to all intents and purposes women. Intersex may also be women, with the birth certificate saying they're women, but they may prefer the male gender.
As we're talking about negligible reported instances of men going into women only spaces,
Shall we also consider the number of "biological" women/trans men using women only spaces, because not only do they have the right, the law, with all of its inbuilt faults, demands it.
The law doesn't only bar "bilogical" men/transwomen from using women only spaces, it also demands that "biological" women/trans men use those same women only spaces.

Does she have a workable definition of "male"?

The issue of a choice of only two sexes to be registered at birth arose from the C of E monopoly of registrations during the 18'00s, culminating in the error strewn Act of 1837, driven by the clerical representatives in the House of Lords.

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20251209173526/https://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/early-civil-registration/

It explains how the registry of births was brought into being mainly by the C of E, through the House of Lords, from a financial gain perspective.
It's obviously going to be weighted with a religious narrative, from a bygone era.
For 50 years after the passing of the Act, it underwent many opposing arguments, and much ignoring of the Act by other religions.
When it was passed it was an error strewn Act, and it still is. But no governing party has, or has had, the courage to approach it.
The clerical representation in the House of Lords probably has a lot to do with that.

Makes sense.
Surely she'd be ok if they wore a frock, some lippy and a smudge of mascara?

Apparently if you slap on a bit of makeup and wear a skirt that officially makes you a women.

That isn't what Noseall said.
Makeup and dress codes do not define women, otherwise all those women who shun makeup and wear trousers would not be considered as women. So should they be forced to use the men's rooms?

 

[King Billy]

I don't know or care what one of those is.

Of course you don't. That is why you are arguing from a point of ignorance, and you prefer to keep it that way.
With that in mind, how would you rate the value of your opinion to this discussion?

All attention seeking nonsense. Everyone knows what a man or woman is really, a few attention-seekers are pretending they don't fit in, and some noisy do-gooders are attempting to prove how right-on they are by claiming that things are more complicated than they are.

You prefer the simple life, simple beliefs, simple ideology, simple explanations, simple anecdotes, simple myths and simple lies to explain the world around you.
Anything approaching complication is too much for you to understand. So you retreat back into your bigoted simplicity.

Almost everyone is a man (male) or a woman (female).

Except for the few hundred thousands who aren't.

The tiny number

What you really mean is that there are far more bigoted simpletons than there are intersex people, so your ideology must take precedence.
You were probably taught religious teaching that says inresex don't exist, and homoseuality is sinful. It's so entrenched in your psyche you can't conceptualise any other possibility.

who genuinely don't fit this mould are quite capable of discreetly fitting into whatever is closest.

So now, you're suggesting that trans people use whatever space they feel most comfortable?
That's an improvement.

But there are a much bigger number who just want to perv or make a fuss about nothing.

Data?

There is no central, official UK database tracking the exact number of men caught entering women's spaces specifically while dressed as women. Incidents are generally reported individually or studied by campaign groups, with instances considered rare,
Public Spaces: While specific statistics are sparse, reports of men entering women-only spaces (such as toilets or changing rooms) are often anecdotal or reported to individual police forces.
So you use anecdotal myths rather than real data on which to base your awareness of the world around you.

No doubt the anti-trans brigade will be along shortly with their own anecdotes.

 

[King Billy]

We can't call non-transgender people normal.
I'll start referring to myself as cisgender from now on then.

It's much easier to use than the "person whose birth certificate aligns with their preferred gender."
Just like transgender is so much easier to use than "person whose birth certificate does not align with their preferred gender."
But I think we're all (except Ivor, who admits he's not) sufficiently aware to use either terminology.
Normal doesn't apply to people because I'd hazard a guess that almost everyone has some sort of "not normalness" or abnormality.

"Normal" refers to something that is standard, usual, or typical, fitting expected patterns or average development. It indicates being free from illness or abnormality,

Trying to be "normal" causes us to tell lies about ourselves, how much alcohol we drink, how much TV we watch, how many times we have sex. and what sort, how much we smoke, or whether we do at all, our height, our weight, what car we drive, where we live, etc, etc.
The desire to be normal overrides our moral values.
So now we've gone full circle - the vast majority of trans people want to be normal they want to fit into society, they don't want to make a fuss, they don't behave illegally.
Criminals take advantage of "normality" to pass as "normal" to commit crimes. They act as "normal" shoppers to shoplift, they act as "normal" in the crowd to pickpocket, they act as "normal" when scamming people, they act as "normal" passengers to travel without paying, etc.
Normality can be and is faked.

 

[pete01]

Really? REALLY?

YEAH REALLY....

Get some sleep Bill....

Wise up(TM)

 

[JohnD]

transwomen are to all intents and purposes women.

No they aren't.

They're men pretending to be women.

You are mistaken in believing that if a man utters the words "I am a woman" he magically changes sex.

 

[JohnD]

Normality can be and is faked.

Word salad.