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[Himaginn]

insurance for driving in other EU countries is considerably cheaper than if UK were outside of EU.

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Has your inability to concentrate for long always been your excuse for falling asleep?
Too many late nights on the booze!
Do you fall asleep in customers' houses?

The funniest thing about your comment is that it took you four days to think of it.
We're on page 3 now. Do try to keep up......and awake!

 

[Foxtrot Oscar]

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also and the French have been known to prosecute UK drivers for breaking EU rules but not UK rules whilst the vehicle was in the UK.

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How can French prosecute drivers for breaking UK rules???? France can prosecute drivers in France using French rules (or EU rules), they can't use UK rules to prosecute in France!

Simple, the look at your tachograph and irrespective of where you started your journey or ended it, they see speeds in excess of 90kph and fine you... They do this at the roadside and your vehicle does not move 'till it is paid.. You can argue the toss but then you can discuss it at the police station whilst your load is not being delivered.. You do have the option to contest the charges in court but by the time you have done that it works out more expensive than it would if you had paid up and shut up.

The French police also like to see driving times not exceeding 4 hours before a break and also like to see a break of an hour rather than 45 mins.. Again, you can argue but it gets you nowhere and costs more in the long run.. Some large Spanish hauliers have accounts with the French Police to speed up the payment of fines..

So you've never heard of the ECofJ?
Neither has you employer?
Neither have the Spanish hauliers?
Neither have the UK driver's unions?
Nor the Professional Drivers Association?
You talk utter twaddle!
The ECofJ is specifically provided for issues such as this.
Again, provide specific examples of when or where the French police have brought successful prosecutions or fines.
Additionally, you won't have ended your journey, if the French police are able to stop you and examine your tacho'.
So it can only apply to where you started your journey.

Naturally, I have... it is a matter of practicality. If your ticket is 200 Euros and it costs, say 500 Euros in fees, time, lost production etc then only a fool would pursue the issue. The issue of the driving time/break time is usually corrected by the Gendarme by delaying the driver, by taking his paperwork and documentation and holding it for an hour or so before returning it to the driver and allowing him on his way... Feel free to discuss what Google tells you with a French copper, see how far your cleverness gets you

 

[EFLImpudence]

Too much to bother reading

See what I mean?

 

[Himaginn]

Too much to bother reading

See what I mean?

Nope. Not a clue. Explain yourself. Or is this another of your vague comments, which you'll later claim meant something entirely different?

 

[Himaginn]

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also and the French have been known to prosecute UK drivers for breaking EU rules but not UK rules whilst the vehicle was in the UK.

this

How can French prosecute drivers for breaking UK rules???? France can prosecute drivers in France using French rules (or EU rules), they can't use UK rules to prosecute in France!

Simple, the look at your tachograph and irrespective of where you started your journey or ended it, they see speeds in excess of 90kph and fine you... They do this at the roadside and your vehicle does not move 'till it is paid.. You can argue the toss but then you can discuss it at the police station whilst your load is not being delivered.. You do have the option to contest the charges in court but by the time you have done that it works out more expensive than it would if you had paid up and shut up.

The French police also like to see driving times not exceeding 4 hours before a break and also like to see a break of an hour rather than 45 mins.. Again, you can argue but it gets you nowhere and costs more in the long run.. Some large Spanish hauliers have accounts with the French Police to speed up the payment of fines..

So you've never heard of the ECofJ?
Neither has you employer?
Neither have the Spanish hauliers?
Neither have the UK driver's unions?
Nor the Professional Drivers Association?
You talk utter twaddle!
The ECofJ is specifically provided for issues such as this.
Again, provide specific examples of when or where the French police have brought successful prosecutions or fines.
Additionally, you won't have ended your journey, if the French police are able to stop you and examine your tacho'.
So it can only apply to where you started your journey.

Naturally, I have... it is a matter of practicality. If your ticket is 200 Euros and it costs, say 500 Euros in fees, time, lost production etc then only a fool would pursue the issue. The issue of the driving time/break time is usually corrected by the Gendarme by delaying the driver, by taking his paperwork and documentation and holding it for an hour or so before returning it to the driver and allowing him on his way... Feel free to discuss what Google tells you with a French copper, see how far your cleverness gets you

It would only take one instance of French paying compensation to make them change their approach.
I suppose you're now going to say, no-ones ever tried it!

• References for preliminary rulings

The Court of Justice cooperates with all the courts of the Member States, which are the ordinary courts in matters of European Union law. To ensure the effective and uniform application of European Union legislation and to prevent divergent interpretations, the national courts may, and sometimes must, refer to the Court of Justice and ask it to clarify a point concerning the interpretation of EU law, so that they may ascertain, for example, whether their national legislation complies with that law. A reference for a preliminary ruling may also seek the review of the validity of an act of EU law.

http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/jcms/Jo2_7024/en/#procedures
BTW, your attendance is not required. Your solicitor would process the appeal for you!
You don't pay either!

The costs of proceedings
There are no court fees for proceedings before the Court of Justice.

http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/jcms/Jo2_7024/en/#procedures

Proof again that your ramblings are poorly researched, unsupportable, unproven myths and hearsay.

 

[Himaginn]

The CPC that is required for all haulage drivers within the EU is widely ignored in many central European states where as it is rigorously enforced in the UK.. Tachograph rules are interpreted differently in many other EU countries to the way they are here also and the French have been known to prosecute UK drivers for breaking EU rules but not UK rules whilst the vehicle was in the UK.

The CPC is required in all EU states:

Under a European Union Directive, professional bus, coach and lorry drivers need to hold a Driver CPC in addition to a vocational driving licence. Any drivers of lorries over 3.5 tonnes and minibuses with 9 seats or more must usually obtain a Driver CPC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_CPC

Who is affected by the requirements for periodic training?
In essence every driver of a PCV or LGV. However, there will be exemptions in the shape of those drivers not driving for hire or reward, and those running the community bus permit scheme i.e. the majority of Community Transport.
The under mentioned list gives an overview of what's likely.

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• for drivers with LGV/PCV licences in other EU states
• their periodic training must be completed in the country of employment or residence.

Obviously more inane ramblings.

Curiously enough in the same breath as the claim that French Police are behaving illegally.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

You lot still feeding him

 

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Just because a CPC is required doesn't mean that it is observed

 

[EFLImpudence]

You lot still feeding him

Yeah, I keep getting drawn in and make a simple reply which he gets the wrong way round and has to be corrected and then...

I must not look.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

You lot still feeding him

Yeah, I keep getting drawn in and make a simple reply which he gets the wrong way round and has to be corrected and then...

I must not look.

It's easily done. He's a pro mate. Trolling is probably all he has. Sad really.

 

[Himaginn]

Just because a CPC is required doesn't mean that it is observed

Transport cafe mythology!
Completely unsupported and unsupportable nonsense.
I could say that the French police are less likely to prosecute drivers for being over the drink-drive limit. I could provide figures to support my argument, i.e. less prosecutions in France for DUI than in UK.
I could argue that there used to be fairies at the bottom of my garden, Complete utter unsupportable nonsense.

 

[Himaginn]

You lot still feeding him

Yeah, I keep getting drawn in and make a simple reply which he gets the wrong way round and has to be corrected and then...

I must not look.

That's Elfi talk for "I thought I saw an opportunity to win an argument, but then I realised I should have given it more thought because I didn't have a clue what I was talking about. I even admitted it at one point! I tried twisting the argument but that didn't work so I tried misinterpreting a few comments and that didn't work either. So eventually I just made some vague comments that didn't mean anything!"

 

[Himaginn]

You lot still feeding him

Yeah, I keep getting drawn in and make a simple reply which he gets the wrong way round and has to be corrected and then...

I must not look.

It's easily done. He's a pro mate. Trolling is probably all he has. Sad really.

In that case, this was another occasion when the troll was prodded into an argument by a sanctimonious person who mistakenly jumped into an unwinnable argument.
So , according to your sentiments, it's the sanctimonious people that are prodding the troll and instigating the argument?

 

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Oh I never go into transport cafes (I don't believe that there are many left any more) they make you fat and smelly with greasy hair....I take it from your comment that you do frequent them, perhaps in a professional capacity, replacing business cards in the gents washrooms?

We'd be delighted if you could post up your data about the French Police and drink driving offences, that would be great

 

[Himaginn]

Oh I never go into transport cafes (I don't believe that there are many left any more) they make you fat and smelly with greasy hair....I take it from your comment that you do frequent them, perhaps in a professional capacity, replacing business cards in the gents washrooms?

We'd be delighted if you could post up your data about the French Police and drink driving offences, that would be great

I see you're reduced to inane comments now!
Trying to regain some lost credibility?
It'll only lose you more.
But if it makes you feel better in yourself.