Happy St Georges Day

[hermes]

Want some Welsh lessons Hermes?

watch it Hermes! she'll be getting her "love-spoons" out

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

 

[Richardp]

Want some Welsh lessons Hermes?

watch it Hermes! she'll be getting her "love-spoons" out

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

good!............ I'm married to a welsh lass and they really know how to use them lurrrv spoons!

 

[ninebob]

I wonder how many of the beer-swilling footy xenophobes, or the fascist/racist/nationalist groups who are so keen on St George, and "Englishness", and displaying the cross of St George as an emblem of their pride in being a xenophobe/fascist/racist/nationalist know much about him.

Unlike St David, who was actually Welsh, and St Patrick, who was at least born in Britain, and did go to Ireland, first as a slave, and later as a Christian missionary, St George had a (what would now be) Turkish father and a Palestinian mother, and never got closer to this country than what is now north-western Turkey.

Ban, I can only concede that I haven't read up on the history, and no doubt what you say there about the facts and the origin of St George and the other saints is correct.

I take exception though, at the following:

displaying the cross of St George as an emblem of their pride in being a xenophobe/fascist/racist/nationalist

I am none of the above. You have seen my stance in many arguments on this very forum, and I share your views on acceptance, tolerance, and fair justice to all.

But on St Georges Day, I absolutely reserve my right to fly the flag as an English man who is proud of his country.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I take exception though, at the following:

displaying the cross of St George as an emblem of their pride in being a xenophobe/fascist/racist/nationalist

I am none of the above. You have seen my stance in many arguments on this very forum, and I share your views on acceptance, tolerance, and fair justice to all.

But on St Georges Day, I absolutely reserve my right to fly the flag as an English man who is proud of his country.

Hang on - I never said that everyone who flies the flag etc is like that.

The quote in full was

I wonder how many of the beer-swilling footy xenophobes, or the fascist/racist/nationalist groups who are so keen on St George, and "Englishness", and displaying the cross of St George as an emblem of their pride in being a xenophobe/fascist/racist/nationalist know much about him.

You can't deny that a lot of the people who use the flag are xenophobes/fascists/racists/nationalists, and it was about them that I wondered if they realised that St George was a swarthy foreigner, as it seems so ironic that they invoke his image whilst ranting on about foreigners...

 

[splinter]

St george, Roman Chatholic Saint ,Celabrated By roman chatholics on April 23rd

 

[Zampa]

You can't deny that a lot of the people who use the flag are xenophobes/fascists/racists/nationalists, and it was about them that I wondered if they realised that St George was a swarthy foreigner, as it seems so ironic that they invoke his image whilst ranting on about foreigners...

The same sort of irony when you have skinheads doing a Nazi salute to a union jack???!!!..unbelieveable!

Wasn't Nelson Mandela (the one who got caught trying to blow up an oil refinery) a nationalist?..

Sorry if off subject a little..but a question..

Is it possible to be a nationalist...but not a racist?

Discuss...

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Deleted by mod. Inappropriate for this site

Really?

No "nudity"

 

[securespark]

Ooh err!

Yet another controversial, modified thread!

 

[Slogger]

AH ST GEORGE

he isnt my saviour i dont hold with any foreigner being our patron saint of anything

lets make A NEW ONE


st WINSTON patron saint of the armed forces

st POWELL patron saint of enlightened british individuals

st BAS patron saint of fugees ( hey they need him )

 

[Zampa]

AH ST GEORGE

he isnt my saviour i dont hold with any foreigner being our patron saint of anything

lets make A NEW ONE


st WINSTON patron saint of the armed forces

st POWELL patron saint of enlightened british individuals

st BAS patron saint of fugees ( hey they need him )

It seems that 288 of them certainly do!

Our patron Saint is a bit of a non entity really..even in these days of politically correct repression of the English from within...we still dont really bother with all this St Georges day stuff anyway..and the Irish, Welsh and Scotish people certainly seem far more into it than us...blame the leftie do-gooders?...nah not this time...blame ourselves for following the general English trait of 'can't be ar*ed'

It was discussed recently whether we should be given an extra bank holiday in recognition of our national day..(or in others words...another day off for Saint who?..in England)...Each day would have been named after the various patron Saints...oh except England that is...they were considering calling it...'Trafalger Day'...after the event in history when we sent hundreds of French and Spanish sailors to a watery grave...how nice!!

Maybe we should have considered a 'Dresden Day'

Perhaps America may follow our lead and have a Nagasaki day??

 

[Brightness]

Wasn't Nelson Mandela (the one who got caught trying to blow up an oil refinery) a nationalist?..

I honestly don't know but nothing would surprise me - his 1st wife Winnie had a favourite hobby of placing burning tyres round peoples necks

Sorry if off subject a little..but a question..

Is it possible to be a nationalist...but not a racist?

Discuss...

Well, yes I think it is. I live in England but am proudly Welsh. The dictionary terminology for nationalism is 'loyalty, devotion to ones country; movement for independence of state; people ruled by another.'

I am devoted to my 'country' and my passion for all things Welsh is to be seen all over my home and even in and on my car . I do think we've had a bit of independence from the English parliament in the fact that the Welsh assembly now decides where the portion of money deemed to go back into Wales is spent. I suppose the ruled by another bit is purporting to old Lizzie in Buck house LOL

I certainly didn't agree with the Welsh Nationalists burning down holiday homes a few years back but agreed with them wanting road signs in English and Welsh - it's great fun listening to people trying to decipher what they say

One thing though is that I am most certainly not, is a racist. I abhor racism and people being racist. This doesn't just mean racism against blacks or Indians or whatever. It also includes racism between people from all over the UK. I myself have suffered from it in the past & I can really empathise with 'foreigners' coming in seeking a better life for themselves.

I heard on our local radio station earlier today that my local area now has almost 5000 migrant workers from India, Eastern Europe South Africa and Nigeria, this is about a 1/3 of the population. Thankfully, we also have low crime figures and in the last quarter there was only one racially motivated incident, which just so happened to be between an Irishman and a Scotsman!

Thing is, it's certainly not a rich area but a small market town and there's sod all for the kids (youths) to do but they don't seem to go out looking for trouble. They all congregate in the park on the weekends & loads of them join gyms or sporting activities. So I really can't understand the mentality of inner city kids who say they have nothing to do and so spend half their lives out of their skulls on something or other and committing crimes. It seems to me that the less kids have, the less they actually want or it certainly seems to be the case here anyway.

OK off me soapbox now - sorry for waffling, I'm tired LOL

 

[Zampa]

Im the other way round Brightness im English and live in Wales..when I moved here I became the 'new *** on the block' (hey what a wordsmith! )
Ihave had no grief whatsoever from the Welsh..mainly because I repected their culture and mad the effort to integrate. This was dispite people telling me 'not to go to Wales cos they will burn my house down' and 'the Welsh hate the English you know'...

What a load of rubbish...one thing I learn't very quickly is people here will accept you no problem...as long as you dont stroll around as if we still have an Empire and we are on a mission to 'educate the natives'

Another thing i learn't...a lot of people dont like the English...more so those from the southeast corner..Londoners especially..and when you have lived away for a while you can see why in some instances.

 

[Brightness]

Zampa, I'm really heartened to hear that you have been accepted in Wales . We're not really a bad bunch hahaha. I must admit though, I feel really at home where I live now. I suppose I should do though, I've lived here almost as long as I lived in Wales. I do still hanker after the West Wales countryside and coastline though & if I could afford it then I would buy a holiday home there

Saying that, if I could afford it, I'd probably stay there and make hubby commute on days off and stuff

 

[Zampa]

Been here 18 years and for the last 15 or so have seen it as home...took me a while to settle though, I found out what the phrase 'culture shock' actually meant moving from south London!

Very nice people here...and very friendly...far more than where I came from.

 

[Brightness]

Grief I bet it was a culture shock too! I really couldn't cope with living in a city. I am a country girl and always have been.

Makes me laugh when 'townies' moan about country smells or about a bit of mud in the garden - I used to throw cow pats as frisbees when I was a kid My own kids think this is totally abnormal behaviour btw, even though they themselves are country kids too!