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[EFLImpudence]

You trust them this time because their random guesswork happens to coincide with your random guesswork in this instance.

I like that. Sums up the referendum.



Vote for one only:

This random guesswork -

That random guesswork -

 

[JohnD]

I think Gerry's favourite pub landlord carries less conviction than the IMF.

 

[Foxtrot Oscar]

I think Gerry's favourite pub landlord carries less conviction than the IMF.

Why would the IMF be more likely to predict the future than a pub landlord?

 

[JohnD]

If you think Gerry's pub landlord understands exchange rates, currencies, international trade and banking better than the IMF, good luck to you.

Widdlepoon's boss was against rises in the minimum wage for his low-paid workers because they would reduce his profits. Perhaps he's from the half of the Resigners that want to leave so UK can ditch workers' protection "Red Tape"

 

[Gerrydelasel]

If you think Gerry's pub landlord understands exchange rates, currencies, international trade and banking better than the IMF, good luck to you.

That's another good endoresement to Leave: The IMF didn't predict a recession, they simply started with that as an assumption and then tried to work out how big such a recession might be. And with all the expertise John says they have, and their pro-EU bias, all they came up with was either a small recession, or one so small that it barely even met the definition of recession.

 

[DRM]

All this speculation about the economy is irrelevant!

Nobody knows what is going to happen to the economy if we leave, but perhaps more to the point nobody knows what is going to happen to the economy if stay in!

The things that we do know are,

Number one: If we leave the European Union, we won’t have to pay billions of pounds a year into their coffers.

Number two: If we leave, we can control immigration into this country.

Number three: If we leave, our parliament and our courts will no longer be subordinate to the European Court of Justice.

We will be an independent self-governing country again.

"Pretty well everything else is guesswork.”


http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/680437/michael-howard-lbc-eu-referendum

 

[JohnD]

Nobody knows what is going to happen to the economy if we leave,

That's not right.

If we resign from one of the world's great trading groups, we know we will lose some trade and prosperity. What "nobody knows" is how much.

How much we might have to pay for future access to the market (though having no vote and no seat at the table, so no influence on the rules) we don't know. You are aware that Norway pays a lot, and has committed to follow the rules, but has no vote.

If are willing to give up access to the single market, we don't have to accept free movement (and the EU countries don't have to accept Brits. You are aware that Switzerland has had to accept free movement, but does not have full access.

You are aware that the European Court of Justice does not apply to purely national laws, only to EU law.

We are already an independent, self-governing country, though if we choose to enter into treaties with other nations or groups, then of course we will be bound by those treaties.

 

[DRM]

Are their economies as large as ours?

Do they have the same spending power that we have?

Nobody knows what is going to happen to the economy if we stay in!

 

[JohnD]

Norway is a rich oil economy, as you know.

Switzerland has the advantage of being able to keep money deposited in its banks by gangsters, dictators and refugees who for one reason or another don't live to collect it.

The UK has a very large and profitable services sector and makes a lot of money from being in the single market and selling financial services in conformance with EU regulations and obeying EU laws. There are also some car factories, such as foreign-owned Mini, foreign-owned Ford, foreign-owned Jaguar, foreign-owned Toyota, foreign-owned Peugeot and foreign-owned Rolls-Royce. They all find it cheap and easy to export their goods into Europe because they are made inside the EU Single Market. There is no shortage of other countries with educated workforces, inside the EU, eager to accept any future investment. As for Spending Power and Size of Economy, we will not find any market capable of substituting for the EU. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the 10% they export to us outweighs the 40% we export to them. Who needs whom?

As you know, the UK is one of the largest EU nations, which is why it has a strong voice in the conference room and the voting chamber, which enable it to guide regulations to our advantage. Both of which it will lose if it resigns.

 

[DRM]

There is no way a responsible government would have organised a referendum with all the chaos and costs involved unless they had considered the risks of a remain or leave vote.

If after all this, they are now saying that a leave vote would be so detrimental to the well being of the country they should resign on the grounds of incompetence!

 

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Norway is a rich oil economy, as you know.

Switzerland has the advantage of being able to keep money deposited in its banks by gangsters, dictators and refugees who for one reason or another don't live to collect it.

The UK has a very large and profitable services sector and makes a lot of money from being in the single market and selling financial services in conformance with EU regulations and obeying EU laws. There are also some car factories, such as foreign-owned Mini, foreign-owned Ford, foreign-owned Jaguar, foreign-owned Toyota, foreign-owned Peugeot and foreign-owned Rolls-Royce. They all find it cheap and easy to export their goods into Europe because they are made inside the EU Single Market. There is no shortage of other countries with educated workforces, inside the EU, eager to accept any future investment. As for Spending Power and Size of Economy, we will not find any market capable of substituting for the EU. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the 10% they export to us outweighs the 40% we export to them. Who needs whom?

As you know, the UK is one of the largest EU nations, which is why it has a strong voice in the conference room and the voting chamber, which enable it to guide regulations to our advantage. Both of which it will lose if it resigns.

So if it is so great to make vehicles in the EU, why did the EU loan Ford £80 million to stop building the Ford Transit in Southampton and move production to Turkey?

 

[JohnD]

Are you suggesting there is something untrue in what I said?

Norway is a rich oil economy, as you know.

Switzerland has the advantage of being able to keep money deposited in its banks by gangsters, dictators and refugees who for one reason or another don't live to collect it.

The UK has a very large and profitable services sector and makes a lot of money from being in the single market and selling financial services in conformance with EU regulations and obeying EU laws. There are also some car factories, such as foreign-owned Mini, foreign-owned Ford, foreign-owned Jaguar, foreign-owned Toyota, foreign-owned Peugeot and foreign-owned Rolls-Royce. They all find it cheap and easy to export their goods into Europe because they are made inside the EU Single Market. There is no shortage of other countries with educated workforces, inside the EU, eager to accept any future investment. As for Spending Power and Size of Economy, we will not find any market capable of substituting for the EU. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the 10% they export to us outweighs the 40% we export to them. Who needs whom?

As you know, the UK is one of the largest EU nations, which is why it has a strong voice in the conference room and the voting chamber, which enable it to guide regulations to our advantage. Both of which it will lose if it resigns.

 

[DRM]

http://tapnewswire.com/2016/06/germ...growth-after-brexit-bbc-and-remainers-silent/

 

[JohnD]

Have you got a reliable source for your story, or is it just your weird conspiracy site (look at the right-hand sidebar)

Compare this:

"Deutsche Bank AG Chairman Paul Achleitner has become the latest global banking leader to warn about the potential fallout if U.K. voters decide to leave the European Union.
A yes vote next week to so-called Brexit would be an “economic disaster for the U.K. and a political disaster for the EU,” Achleitner said at a dinner Wednesday night in New York hosted by the American Council on Germany"

"Deutsche Bank Chief Executive Officer John Cryan said last month that the Frankfurt-based company would probably move some trading activities if a Brexit vote prevails. It would be “counterintuitive” to trade euro-zone products such as Italian government bonds out of London if Britain was no longer part of the EU, he said."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hairman-says-brexit-would-be-disaster-for-u-k

and

Sun's 'Brexit boost to shares' front page is a topsy-turvy take on the truth

Aggressive editing turns Deutsche Bank report on its head about the impact of Brexit on the financial markets

Spin and slant are hardly unknown in newspapers, but the front page of Wednesday’s Sun subjected the truth to such aggressive editing as to give a completely upside-down impression of what was going on in financial markets.

A day after the newspaper’s front page editorial, beseeching voters to “BeLEAVE in Britain”, the tabloid put together a bizarre pastiche involving Remain’s dwindling poll lead, “nasty Euro moths” and what a large sub-headline described as a “Brexit Rocket Boost to Shares”. What makes this last item the stand-out in this bizarre brew is that the big financial story overnight had been the £30bn wiped off the FTSE on Tuesday, which was widely thought to be associated with the surging position of the leave camp in the latest polls.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/20...front-page-is-a-topsy-turvy-take-on-the-truth

I suppose if you get your information from The Daily Tits you deserve to be ignorant. Why are dishonest liars so attracted to the Brexit side?

 

[JohnD]

You couldn't make it up!

But they did.