Israel under attack

[Notch7]

Israel will never accept a Palestinian state

They did in 1993 with the Oslo accords, the then foreign minister Shimon Peres negotiated with the PLO

I would say it got reasonably close in the mid 90s

My guess is there have been too many hardliners in Israel politics to get it over the line


The world needs to put pressure on Israel to get back to the negotiating table

 

[Vinty]

If Hamas laid down their weapons there would be a basis for a long term settlement. If Israel laid down their weapons then Hamas would move in and kill all Jews, as per their stated God backed aim. Hardly equal outcomes

I agree with that to a certain extent.
When you consider the way the Israelis have treated Palestinians over the last 100 years or so, i wouldn't like be an Israeli if the Palestinians ever got the upper hand without an ageed settlement.
No one would expect the Israelis to lay down their arms without some sort of guarantee for their safety.
Palestinians and Jews have lived in peace before and can do so again.

 

[denso13]

They want to eradicate the Palestinians as a nation.

Where have they said that?

 

[THFC]

Himmie suffers from a missing link….

Slight correction - Himmie is the missing link

 

[transam]

The palistinians and the mad mullers want to eradicate Isreal

All this talk about proportionate retaliation

Can any one explain what that should be ?? After 1400 plus people were butchered
Over 200 hostages taken

Crowds in Gaza cheering what Hamas had done
Stoning and beating the hostages as they were driven through Gaza

They would have beaten / lynched those hostages to death if they could have got hold of em

Proportionate

Some BS word bandied around

 

[transam]

Jeez us wept you even have a mob of fruit cakes in some Russian dire ear a Stan republic trying to storm a passenger plane assuming it’s got Israelis on board so they can lynch em

Searching hotels for Jews to kill / lynch

Stopping cars demanding to see pass ports

All stirred up by poo Tin ?

 

[motorbiking]

Interesting.. you'd think after all the antisemitic issues the party has had with the previous leadership, Labour MPs would be a bit less careless. I give Starmer his due, he's tried bl**dy hard to tackle it in his party.

Andy McDonald: Labour suspends MP after speech at pro-Palestinian rally

The party says comments made by Andy McDonald at the weekend were "deeply offensive".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[transam]

Will never know ?

But if Corbin had won the election ??

 

[Roy Bloom]

Where have they said that?

Zionists do. (want to destroy the Palestinians)

Politics in Israel are dominated by Zionist parties.

Politics of Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

According to Elaine Hagopian, in the early decades it foresaw the homeland of the Jews as extending not only over the region of Palestine, but into Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt, with its borders more or less coinciding with the major riverine and water-rich areas of the Levant.

Zionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Roy Bloom]

Interesting.. you'd think after all the antisemitic issues the party has had with the previous leadership, Labour MPs would be a bit less careless. I give Starmer his due, he's tried bl**dy hard to tackle it in his party.

Andy McDonald: Labour suspends MP after speech at pro-Palestinian rally

The party says comments made by Andy McDonald at the weekend were "deeply offensive".

www.bbc.co.uk

The problem is that many have conflated criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic, which is nonsense.
But gullible and dishonest biased people were content to go along with it.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Sorry for addressing your point in this thread when it was posted in the other thread, but I'm still excluded from that thread, and I thought your comment (especially the bit highlighted) deserved a response.
(I see I've been excluded from another thread, (Is Jewish and /or Zionism a racist ideology). No explanation as usual, and Motorbiking claims he doesn't go running off to the mods. )

I've said repeatedly that the designation of an organistion as terrorist is a political ploy, partly to justify the treatment of the members of the designated "terrorist" organisation.
A very real problem really emphasises this political ploy when the organisation is conflated with the general population, as in Gaza when Palestinians are conflated with Hamas. It is intended to justify the treatment of Gazans in general.
There's an excellent piece in the BBC news this moring referrring to this labelling of people.

The harm caused by dehumanising language​

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20231030-the-real-life-harm-caused-by-dehumanising-language.

If anyone doubts the political motivation of labelling an organisation as 'terrorist', I refer you to the labelling of the Mau mau as a terrorist organisation in the 1950's. A label renounced in 2003, when the Mau mau were recognised as Freedom fighters, In 2013 UK paid out £20M in reparations to those Mau mau fighters still alive.
Again in the BBC news today.

King Charles Kenya trip: Mau Mau uprising hangs over visit

The British Empire brutally suppressed an uprising in Kenya in the 1950s. Its victims cannot forget.

www.bbc.com

 

[Roy Bloom]

You quoted a link about freedom of movement

I said “plenty of people in Gaza work in Israel
the 2 are not the same.

You're right.
The Freedom of Movement enshrined in UN Declaration of Human Rights is not the same as exploitation of cheap and plentiful workers, working in basically slave-like conditions, at the whim of the government and employers whether they will be allowed to arrive at work, or even be allowed to return home after their labours.
The denial of the Freedom of Movement is equally as bad as exploitation of cheap labour under captive slave-like conditions.

Legality of restrictions​

The right to freedom of movement within states is recognized in article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the United Nations General Assembly in 1948.

B'Tselem has argued that the consequences of the restrictions on the economic status Palestinian population have been so severe that they breach the rights guaranteed by the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights—in particular, the right to a livelihood, the right to an acceptable standard of living, the right to satisfactory nutrition, clothing, and housing, and the right to attain the best standard of physical and mental health.[32]

B'Tselem also argues that the restrictions on ill, wounded and pregnant Palestinians seeking acute medical care is in contravention of international law that states that medical professionals and the sick must be granted open passage.

Palestinian freedom of movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

although this is coming from from someone who think bird seed and dog food are the same….I hope you don’t have any pets

Are you trying to cover up your racist comment about immigrants eating pet food.
It has been an old trope since the 60's. And you find it funny?
Unsurprising from one who defends racists.
Even Bod and ReganandCarter recognised the racist content of your comment, yet you still fail to comprehend the racist intent.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

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Sorry for addressing your point in this thread when it was posted in the other thread, but I'm still excluded from that thread, and I thought your comment (especially the bit highlighted) deserved a response.
(I see I've been excluded from another thread, (Is Jewish and /or Zionism a racist ideology). No explanation as usual, and Motorbiking claims he doesn't go running off to the mods. )

I've said repeatedly that the designation of an organistion as terrorist is a political ploy, partly to justify the treatment of the members of the designated "terrorist" organisation.
A very real problem really emphasises this political ploy when the organisation is conflated with the general population, as in Gaza when Palestinians are conflated with Hamas. It is intended to justify the treatment of Gazans in general.
There's an excellent piece in the BBC news this moring referrring to this labelling of people.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20231030-the-real-life-harm-caused-by-dehumanising-language.

If anyone doubts the political motivation of labelling an organisation as 'terrorist', I refer you to the labelling of the Mau mau as a terrorist organisation in the 1950's. A label renounced in 2003, when the Mau mau were recognised as Freedom fighters, In 2013 UK paid out £20M in reparations to those Mau mau fighters still alive.
Again in the BBC news today.

King Charles Kenya trip: Mau Mau uprising hangs over visit

The British Empire brutally suppressed an uprising in Kenya in the 1950s. Its victims cannot forget.

www.bbc.com

I’ve reported you for hate speech!

 

[Roy Bloom]

I’ve reported you for hate speech!

I'd ask you to point out what hate speech, but I know I'd be wasting my time.
It's a pity the mods don't take time to validate your complaints before acting.

Yoiu'd be the expert on hate speech anyway, in the past you've been one of the most abusive people on this froum.

You've even been known to illicit support for me to be banned:

It’s a shame Roy isn’t banned yet. That’s just my personal opinion.

The man is picking on half the forum now. If anyone is suffering from it/him please report it.

You've also suggested I might be mentally unstable:

So Roy is a complete fruit cake, who’s been banned more times than we can count.

Are you ok Roy ? There’s help if you need it. The first step is asking

You've also demonstrated your anti-immigrant tendencies in the recent past:

Sweden is or was a lovely place I’ve traveled a bit there and up to Norway in the 90’s when we started snowboarding and skiing. The Swedish people are a good laugh and know how to party after a day on the slopes.

It’s a shame what’s happened in the last few years. Rape capital of the EU I hear

Your MO was all abuse at one time:

You've also been known to spout old anti-immigrant myths:

https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/conditions.616035/post-5554137

I can't post the actual quotes, because it's yet another thread from which I've been excluded.
There's load more examples of your typical 'hate speech'.
Now you can add hypochrisy to your long list of undesirable attributes.

 

[Roy Bloom]

However, Israel goes to extraordinary lengths to avoid civilian casualties,

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/as-civilian-casualties-reach-record-levels-in-gaza-third-committee-underscores-need-to-end-war-lift-blockade-of-essential-needs-hold-parties-accountable-press-release/

That must be why they destroyed a car (undoubtedly killing all its ocupants) going South on the supposed designated route out of Gaza City, especially when that car was doing a three point turn when the driver saw that the road was blocked by the tank.

Moment Israeli tank appears to fire on car inside Gaza

Video shows a car moving towards a tank and making a U-turn before a blast.

www.bbc.com

Why was the designated route out of Gaza City blocked by a tank?