Israel under attack

[Roy Bloom]

@Roy Bloom Are you inviting people to support them in their struggle with their oppressors?

Yes, I think Palestinians do need the support of the international community to stop Israel killing and oppressing them.
To stop Israel preventing them from accessing their Mosques, and destroying their Mosques in Gaza (another war crime).
And to stop the Israeli settlers stealing their homes and land.

 

[noseall]

I've posted the UN definition. That's good enough for me.

It needs updating.

 

[gant]

Yes, I think Palestinians do need the support of the international community to stop Israel killing and oppressing them.
To stop Israel preventing them from accessing their Mosques, and destroying their Mosques in Gaza (another war crime).
And to stop the Israeli settlers stealing their homes and land.

I don't see any and in return the muslim community won't want to blast you off the face of the earth.

 

[Vinty]

I am not one for conspiracy theories but there is something a bit iffy about all this.

How could of Israel have not known what Hamas was up to in Gaza, the Israelis have informants everywhere and aerial surveillance 24/7.

The logistics involved must have been enormous, how come they didn't even get a whiff of what was going on.
The Egyptians claim they warned the Israelis repeatedly about the Hamas offensive.

Maybe this new right wing Israeli government decided it was time to remove the Palestinians permanently from Gaza.
In order to justify the ethnic cleansing of 2.2 million people, it would take something cataclysmic of 9/11 proportions to justify the complete removal of a population.

When the attack came, Israel had no problem finding 1000's of bombs to drop on Gaza, did they have them stockpiled for the event?
If the Israelis manage to " evacuate" the population of Gaza across the border into Egypt, what are the chances they will let them return when some semblance of calm returns.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I am not one for conspiracy theories but there is something a bit iffy about all this.

How could of Israel have not known what Hamas was up to in Gaza, the Israelis have informants everywhere and aerial surveillance 24/7.

The logistics involved must have been enormous, how come they didn't even get a whiff of what was going on.
The Egyptians claim they warned the Israelis repeatedly about the Hamas offensive.

Maybe this new right wing Israeli government decided it was time to remove the Palestinians permanently from Gaza.
In order to justify the ethnic cleansing of 2.2 million people, it would take something cataclysmic of 9/11 proportions to justify the complete removal of a population.

When the attack came, Israel had no problem finding 1000's of bombs to drop on Gaza, did they have them stockpiled for the event?
If the Israelis manage to " evacuate" the population of Gaza across the border into Egypt, what are the chances they will let them return when some semblance of calm returns.

If I'm using the correct phrase, you've to be careful you don't go down rabbit holes with these theories ... however it's only a fool who doesn't think there's often more to these conflicts than meets the eye in terms of who's deciding what, from where, and for whatever strategic advantage.

 

[Odds]

China and Russia have hardened their positions towards the conflict in Gaza in recent days, as the war between Israel and Hamas aggravates existing geopolitical tensions and underscores the growing gulf between the cold war allies and western powers such as the US, UK and France.

The Chinese foreign minister said over the weekend that Israel’s bombing campaign had gone “beyond the scope of self-defence” and that it “should stop collective punishment of the people of Gaza”.

On Friday, the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, raised the possibility that an intensified siege of Gaza by Israel may resemble that of Leningrad by German armies during the second world war, a reference likely to cause deep offence in Israel.

Russia’s top diplomat, Sergei Lavrov, arrived in Beijing on Monday before an expected visit by Putin, which will raise western concerns about increasingly close links between the two powers.

Arming Gideon@the Garundina

No wonder the U.S has moved two battle groups to the Eastern Med.

 

[omph]

Just to clarify, it was not a Hamas attack on Israel, since there are several Palestinian political bodies in Gaza and a more accurate description would be that it was a Palestinian counter attack for the numerous killings the IDF was doing in the West bank. Also, since Hamas are ruling Gaza then technically it was not an act of terror but an act of war, and the fact Netanyahu declared war was an implicit concession that he also saw it like that. Using terrorism is to muddy the waters and to de-contextualise the attack from what the Jews were doing that ultimately led to this sh*t show. There is a lot of propaganda and manipulation of narratives going on.

The Jews want the Al Aqsa compound because apparantely it's built where the "Temple" was built, and they want to knock it down. Once the temple is re-built and all the Jews brought back to Israel then their scripture states the Messiah will return. This is also why evangelicals in yank land don't want to "fix" the issue and are unconditionally supporting Israel because the Messiah for them is Jesus. This is going to get really really messy.

 

[Notch7]

According to the UN Hamas are not terrorists

According to UN definition Hamas are terrorists

 

[Notch7]

According to the UN Hamas are not terrorists

Please provide a link to a UN web page that states what you say

you wont because it doesnt exist

 

[Notch7]

I've posted the UN definition. That's good enough for me.

and the UN definition proves Hamas are terrorists

 

[fillyboy]

and the UN definition proves Hamas are terrorists

And rotters.

 

[Brigadier]

And rotters.

By jove, that's a bit strong

 

[Vinty]

Just to clarify, it was not a Hamas attack on Israel, since there are several Palestinian political bodies in Gaza and a more accurate description would be that it was a Palestinian counter attack for the numerous killings the IDF was doing in the West bank. Also, since Hamas are ruling Gaza then technically it was not an act of terror but an act of war, and the fact Netanyahu declared war was an implicit concession that he also saw it like that. Using terrorism is to muddy the waters and to de-contextualise the attack from what the Jews were doing that ultimately led to this sh*t show. There is a lot of propaganda and manipulation of narratives going on.

The Jews want the Al Aqsa compound because apparantely it's built where the "Temple" was built, and they want to knock it down. Once the temple is re-built and all the Jews brought back to Israel then their scripture states the Messiah will return. This is also why evangelicals in yank land don't want to "fix" the issue and are unconditionally supporting Israel because the Messiah for them is Jesus. This is going to get really really messy.

Don't these evangelicals believe that when the Jews return to Israel for coming of the Messiah, they will have to become Christians or they won't get into heaven.
They should have read the small print before making any deals with religious right.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I wonder if this is a one off or a sign of more things to come?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-year-old-muslim-boy-mother-murder-hate-crime

Here you go ...

Two people shot dead in Brussels ahead of Euro qualifier match

Two Swedish football fans have been shot dead in central Brussels by a gunman who allegedly claimed to be an ISIS member.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[motorbiking]

Yes, I think Palestinians do need the support of the international community to stop Israel killing and oppressing them.
To stop Israel preventing them from accessing their Mosques, and destroying their Mosques in Gaza (another war crime).
And to stop the Israeli settlers stealing their homes and land.

We are talking about hamas not Palestinians. You understand the difference? Or are you taking care not to commit a criminal offence?