It's now official

[joe-90]

Cameron should have walked it like Blair did in 97. Every political commentator says the same thing (apart from the biased Adam Boulton).

Lets face it - if you can't wipe out a the worst PM in history in a recession caused by said leader and you have a billionaire non dom with deep pockets and have 90% of the press and news channels on your side - then you are a loser. What else could you be called? He ran off and made a fool of himself wooing Nick Clegg and gave far more concessions than he should have done. Didn't he realise that Labour didn't even want the poisoned chalice of the 2010 election? They are the winners in this - no one else.

 

[Lincsbodger]

Cameron should have walked it like Blair did in 97. Every political commentator says the same thing (apart from the biased Adam Boulton).

Lets face it - if you can't wipe out a the worst PM in history in a recession caused by said leader and you have a billionaire non dom with deep pockets and have 90% of the press and news channels on your side - then you are a loser. What else could you be called? He ran off and made a fool of himself wooing Nick Clegg and gave far more concessions than he should have done. Didn't he realise that Labour didn't even want the poisoned chalice of the 2010 election? They are the winners in this - no one else.

Give the fantasy a rest joe, no one else agrees with you, and you arent even describing reality...................

 

[joe-90]

You'd better tell the pundits then.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/...nservatives-cameron-campaign-lessons-failures

 

[Lincsbodger]

You'd better tell the pundits then.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/...ves-cameron-campaign-lessons-failures[/QUOTE]

ah a Guardian reader, QED...............

 

[Lincsbodger]

Here it is, lock stock and two smoking barrels

* Deputy PM: Nick Clegg (Lib Dem)
* Chancellor: George Osborne (Tory)
* Foreign Secretary: William Hague (Tory)
* Home Secretary and Minister for Women and Equality: Theresa May (Tory)
* Defence Secretary: Liam Fox (Tory)
* Health Secretary: Andrew Lansley (Tory)
* Scotland: Danny Alexander (Lib Dem)
* Work and Pensions: Ian Duncan-Smith (Tory)
* Business: Vince Cable (Lib Dem)
* Education: Michael Gove (Tory)
* Energy and Climate Change: Chris Huhne (Lib Dem) TBC
* Communities and Local Government: Eric Pickles (Tory)
* Justice Secretary and Lord Chancellor: Ken Clarke (Tory)
* Attorney General: Dominic Grieve (Tory)
* Chief Whip: Patrick McLoughlin (Tory)
* Chief Sec to Treasury: David Laws (Lib Dem)

And the next election is May 7th, 2015.

Between them, Clegg and Cameron have royally stitched up Labour. The Mandelson/Campbell dirty deal was never going to hold up, because it outraged the more decent members of the Labour Party. They wanted to retire gracefully into Opposition, wait for the Coalition to fall apart, and strike again in a year at the snap election - except there isnt going to be one. The coalition is now locked together, barring utter catastrophe, for five years. Provided they dont make any major mistakes, and were out the poo in 5 years, the voting system will be different by the next election, theres no reason they wont continue the coalition (why change if its successful?), they could potentially keep labour out of power for 20 years.

 

[joe-90]

You'd better tell the pundits then.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/...ves-cameron-campaign-lessons-failures[/QUOTE]

ah a Guardian reader, QED...............

In a Guardian article today, Montgomerie writes: "The party was twice as well-funded as Labour and was able to afford the most professional marginal seats operation ever seen in UK politics. And yet, the Tories fell short. The result was not a disaster but it was much less than it should have been. David Cameron should not have had to make deals with the Liberal Democrats and spend the next few months worrying if his government will survive. Quickly learning the lessons of an inadequate campaign is essential for the Conservative party.

 

[joe-90]

The coalition is now locked together, barring utter catastrophe, for five years. Provided they dont make any major mistakes, and were out the poo in 5 years,

Five years from now the whole of Europe will have crashed and the UK defaulted in its loans.

Is that the sort of catastrophe you are talking about?

 

[Lincsbodger]

The coalition is now locked together, barring utter catastrophe, for five years. Provided they dont make any major mistakes, and were out the poo in 5 years,

Five years from now the whole of Europe will have crashed and the UK defaulted in its loans.

Is that the sort of catastrophe you are talking about?

i think thats massively unlikely. People who make money out the status quo, especially powerful vested interests, do not simply walk away from a cash cow of any description. Especially the EU, there millions of people troughing in the EU cash lake, they wont let that dry up, and that means preserving the structure of europe, politically, financially, and socially.

Itll be the same sort of catastrophe as the one where David Cameron got utterly pasted by Brown, as per your reality. Wait, whos that in Number 10................

 

[geraint]

Doesnt say any such thing. Neither Churchill or Thatcher can be criticised for any of the things people .

there will be several million people disagreeing strongly with that statement
a lot will be miners' steelworkers and police

several million... i dont think so... scargill wanted to overturn the government. even admitted to it, but he met a politician that was honest and did what they say...

 

[Lincsbodger]

Doesnt say any such thing. Neither Churchill or Thatcher can be criticised for any of the things people .

there will be several million people disagreeing strongly with that statement
a lot will be miners' steelworkers and police

several million... i dont think so... scargill wanted to overturn the government. even admitted to it, but he met a politician that was honest and did what they say...

Miners - less than 1000 miners stil in the country
Steelworkers - less than 5000 steelworkers in the UK
Police - 78,000 police officers.
Total - 84,000 people

Why would the Police complain, they have more powers and money than they have ever had.

As for Scargill, he was a deluded moron. He started a coal strike at the start of the spring, when coal stocks were at the highest level for 10 years, and demand was dropping to zero. The strike would not have achieved any impact unti lall the coal was gone and demand was escalating, which woud lhave been about 10 months. He expected the miners too live off strike pay for 10 months!!!What an idiot. No wonder it collapsed defeated. Furthermore, the miners were doomed anyway. At that point it was possible to import coal from Poland cheaper than we could dig it out the ground, and the country was fed up with being held to ransom by the unions.

Having said that, the unions, led by GMB and UNITE, now have every intention of taking over the labour party and returning it to its 1970 socialist roots. As i have predicted before, civil war will now rip labour apart, and i also predict whoever becomes leader will need to lean towards the socialist left or he/she will not survive the Party Conference, which is when the unions will close in for the kill.

 

[big-all]

Doesnt say any such thing. Neither Churchill or Thatcher can be criticised for any of the things people .

there will be several million people disagreeing strongly with that statement
a lot will be miners' steelworkers and police

several million... i dont think so... scargill wanted to overturn the government. even admitted to it, but he met a politician that was honest and did what they say...

i fully except that scargill was as unhelpfully stuborn as the thatcher
i personaly didnt like scargill as helped thatcher to obtain here evil goals against the unions even quicker

there are millions off people that dont like thatchers principles some like i hate her anti society selfish individuals look after them selves ways