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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by triangle, 6 Oct 2018.

  1. SirGalahad

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    You need to be an entrepreneur. Post on all free forums and walk into every tenant agency saying you do small jobs, landlord property maintenance. Say you log everything on your phone and email it back when done. I assume you have a car. Leave your name, card everywhere. Be honest and up front.

    I suspect those saying you will stand out if you get stuck in - you will just be exploited unless you are lucky to find a good boss - sorry but the nature of the game is exploitation - its Capitalism. :mrgreen:
     
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  3. Notch7

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    Im not sure that is true, perhaps with a few of the large developers.

    Not with the vast majority of local builders -apart from the dodgy ones.

    I think 'exploited' might be an anti capitalist rant rather than real world situation.
     
  4. EFLImpudence

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    It's not a rant. That's what capitalists do - exploit.
     
  5. Notch7

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    Youve taken what I said out of context. Within the context being discussed.....its fair to say its a rant.

    Certainly Karl Marx considers Capitalism is exploitation.

    There is a danger in taking a classroom theory and applying it to real life.

    There are a large number of SMEs in the UK, people set up businesses, the entreprenurial drive incentivises business owners to succeed. If businesses are successful and make a profit, then that creates employment.

    Its true that insufficient control may allow exploitation, but that doesnt mean the majority of business owners exploit their employees.

    If the state imposes too much control, then there is insufficient incentive.

    There are alternative systems, like co-op enterprises, but they have to be designed to encourage entrepreneurship.

    I wonder how far forward the UK would have developed without capitalism, probably still a pre industrial society.

    Surely the key to a fair society is limiting concentraion of power which leads to corruption. Large unions can be corrupt......
     
  6. Capitalism comes in different forms and can generate wealth but it is up to the state to distribute the wealth generated fairly.
    The state should control Capitalism rather than Capitalism controlling the state.
     
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    Capitalism thrived on imported slavery..... Now slaverys illegal. Its thriving off cheap imported labour.
     
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    I wasn't. I am looking at real life.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-jeff-bezos-richest-billionaires-make-every-day-2018-3

    I don't know.
    It depends which you think more important.
    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-low-income-people-pay-amazon-workers-better

    The two wrongs theory, eh?
     
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    I will ask some guys outside Building merchants etc. I found working with experienced people with patience worth doing for low pay as I can then use it myself and make money. A decorator friend tells me prices for jobs which i would have no idea about and invites me out on jobs which I can learn on. I work for nothing usually but it's worth it once in awhile. He's exploiting me, but I am benefiting and am slow as well as I try to get thin gs right. he doesn't care as he's paying nothing or very little. Sometimes he needs a second pair of hands as well with ladders etc Oh and we get on, I guess that helps. My ultimate aim is to be self employed and entreprenurial but that isn't going to happen without skills and knowlege
     
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  11. Notch7

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    Is that true?

    Does imported labour earn less than UK workers.

    Its more that Uk workers wont do the manual labour some industry requires, like fruit picking, care, etc
     
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    And then you add a link about a billionaire.

    Real life for the majority is all those small and medium businesses that work hard to build up a decent living.

    Of course the super rich should be restricted.

    No its a rant.
    Capitalism has nothing to do with some person potentially being expoited on a building site.

    That is taken out of context -it was a rant because capitalism has nothing to do with some person being exploited on a building site.

    Nothing to do with it. I was pointing out that concentrations of powers at which ever end of the scale encourage corruption.

    To say 'capitalism exploits' is so over simplistic it is meaningless. Somewhat rather like claiming a person working on a building site will be expoited 'because of capitalism'


    Without capitalism the world would be a very different place -we would probably be working in agriculture tending crops.
     
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    Note the only reason given is - for profit.

    Nothing about giving people well paid jobs or benefit of the country.

    Very few capitalists are altruistic, therefore ...
     
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    Actually some pretend to be altruistic after they have accrued their billions.

    Cases recently about a couple of billionaires setting up charitable organisations to benefit the poor while not thinking of raising the wages of their employees.
     
  15. Roger928

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    Profit leads to well paid jobs and benefits to the country.
    Any dumbo could see that.
    Another social justice warrior blinded by corbins commies.
     
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    Does it? I thought it lead to jobs and pittances in the far east.

    Why isn't the country doing well, then?
     
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    Yes it does.
     
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