Largest nursing strike in NHS history set to start
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Conservative opposition?, really?
The conservatives accepted the recommendations of the Beveridge Report in 1942 and committed to setting up an NHS in their 1945 manifesto.
There was indeed opposition to the formation of an NHS, mainly from Doctors and Trade Unions.
You pay some money in over a long term, your employer pays money in over a long term, and when you get old and stop working, you get salary and maybe a lump sum.
"Is the National Health Service still lifting “the shadow from millions of homes?” The words were used by Aneurin Bevan,... Minister of Health in the postwar Attlee government, speaking during the second reading of the NHS Bill, in April 1946, against strong opposition from the Conservative Party. Under Churchill it voted against the formation of the NHS on 21 occasions during the Bill’s passage through Parliament. "
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"In a very famous speech Bevan made this very clear by stating that his Tory opponents were "lower than vermin."
"That is why no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party that inflicted those bitter experiences on me. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin. They condemned millions of first-class people to semi-starvation. Now the Tories are pouring out money in propaganda of all sorts and are hoping by this organised sustained mass suggestion to eradicate from our minds all memory of what we went through. But, I warn you young men and women, do not listen to what they are saying now. Do not listen to the seductions of Lord Woolton. He is a very good salesman. If you are selling shoddy stuff you have to be a good salesman. But I warn you they have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse than they were."
"That is why no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party that inflicted those bitter experiences on me. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin. They condemned millions of first-class people to semi-starvation. Now the Tories are pouring out money in propaganda of all sorts and are hoping by this organised sustained mass suggestion to eradicate from our minds all memory of what we went through. But, I warn you young men and women, do not listen to what they are saying now. Do not listen to the seductions of Lord Woolton. He is a very good salesman. If you are selling shoddy stuff you have to be a good salesman. But I warn you they have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse than they were."
It was a famous speech, made because he was livid at having to concede to (tory) Doctors that they could operate GP surgeries as private businesses, Consultants could still operate privately and the same for Dentists, he was livid at having to make those concessions.
Once Bevan had published his Bill on the health service in 1946, one former chairman of the BMA described Bevan's proposals in the following terms:
"I have examined the Bill and it looks to me uncommonly like the first step, and a big one, to national socialism as practised in Germany.
The medical service there was early put under the dictatorship of a "medical fuhrer" The Bill will establish the minister for health in that capacity."
Comparing a politician to Hitler (in 1946!!) shows how strongly the BMA felt about the issue and how widespread opposition was from Doctors:
Between 1946 and its introduction in 1948, the British Medical Association (BMA) mounted a vigorous campaign against this proposed legislation.In one survey of doctors carried out in 1948, the BMA claimed that only 4,734 doctors out of the 45,148 polled, were in favour of a National Health Service.
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Nope, not what I asked, I feel a Fillyfact moment coming on.
The 'employer contributions', it would be reasonable to expect that 'employer contributions' come from the NHS. Not necessarily so, in the case of nurses 'employers contributions' can be from the NHS, or 'anyone who provides a service to the NHS', this would include private agencies. Strange how staff who are so vocal about 'privatisation' are using the private sector to boost their pensions.
Don't take my word for it, it's all in the terms of contract.
Mrs Mottie works for the NHS as a medical transcriber. She only does it part time, 15 hours a week. She could do more if she wants as a 'bank' typist but has only done it a few times in the past to help out with a backlog. It was a separate thing, not exactly overtime and was run by a different company/department and she had a separate tax code for it. A percentage of the bank money she earned went towards her pension - She thinks! Anyway, apparently it is all changing soon (or changed but is changing back) she's not sure. NFI!
Conservatives voted against the formation of the NHS 21 times including 2nd and 3rd reading
"Churchill's Tories voted against the formation of the NHS 21 times before the act was passed, including both the Second and Third reading"
or its couldve been 51 times:
"Of course, it did not appeal to the Tories, who fought tooth and nail against the establishment of the NHS. They did not merely put up a token resistance; they voted against its general principles and its detailed proposals. The Tories voted 51 times against Labour's proposals to establish the NHS"
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Not what you said originally, a bit economical with the facts there, only to be expected.
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The way I see it.
Government say they can't meet the demands and the nurses are saying meet are demands or we strike.
Like the current war it has to get way worse before it will gets better.
It's got to run its course which is going to get painful and the mood of the public will decide how this works out. The public mood won't show for months or even a year plus.
I wonder if this will force an election based on tax rises to increase nurse pay? But the current energy crises may stop any tax rise and agreement.. Hum?
Just wish it would get resolved
Government say they can't meet the demands and the nurses are saying meet are demands or we strike.
Like the current war it has to get way worse before it will gets better.
It's got to run its course which is going to get painful and the mood of the public will decide how this works out. The public mood won't show for months or even a year plus.
I wonder if this will force an election based on tax rises to increase nurse pay? But the current energy crises may stop any tax rise and agreement.. Hum?
Just wish it would get resolved
Would anyone notice the difference.
Hmmm, originally I said it was a scam, well, it is isn't it?, working for Govt employer, moonlighting for a private employer for a far higher rate, whilst both 'companies' put into your pension pot.
All whilst slating 'private companies', involved with the NHS is 'wrong'.
These nurses must be pi55ing themselves laughing at mugs like you whilst queuing at the food banks.
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