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imamartian
Ok, i accept that a shove could end up causing someone to die... but.. the allegation is that this guy is the Met's most evil copper... "thug", "murderer" etc.. he fookin SHOVED someone!!!!!!
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Ok, i accept that a shove could end up causing someone to die... but.. the allegation is that this guy is the Met's most evil copper... "thug", "murderer" etc.. he fookin SHOVED someone!!!!!!
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joinerjohn
He was an innocent man trying to make his way home. He wasn't protesting nor rioting. What other excuse can you come up with to justify The thugs behaviour that day?
FFS, he was walking AWAY from the police lines. Which part fo "walking away from" do you not understand?
I'm sure a quick google search will yield plenty of results where people have been killed by a shove.
I feel that some people on here think it's reasonable force to strike and push this innocent guy over. The police do have an extremely hard job to do but that is what they are trained to do and the job that they chose. This guy was walking away in a non threatening manner posing no threat. If the police thought that he was causing an obstruction then they had plenty of time to move him in a calm and collective manner. There were police offers closer to him than Harwood who did not feel the need to attack him in the manner that Harwood did. Don't get me wrong I don't for one minute believe that Harwood intended to seriously harm Thomlinson, but he did and it has been proven that he was the cause of death. The only justifiable route now is a charge of manslaughter to be upheld and a sentence handed out. Harwood should not have done what he did and should have known better. That said it is unfortunate that some one has died but if Thomlinson hadn't have died then Harwood should still face the courts for the action he took.
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imamartian
JJ.. i can't arsed with all that quoting thing... but.. you say "he was an innocent man making his way home".... innocent is assumed until guilt is proven... so irrelavent and making his way home....? he was a homeless guy... so no home to go to , so irrelavent!!
If you read my post carefully you'll see i acknowlege a shove as resulting in death.. !!
and you can walk "away" from the police and still be obstructive !!! which is what this guy was doing !!!
And i'll re-emphasise ... this guy should never have died... it's hugely unfortunate... but the police never aimed to kill this guy !!!
If you read my post carefully you'll see i acknowlege a shove as resulting in death.. !!
and you can walk "away" from the police and still be obstructive !!! which is what this guy was doing !!!
And i'll re-emphasise ... this guy should never have died... it's hugely unfortunate... but the police never aimed to kill this guy !!!
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imamartian
bollix!!
sticking a knife in someone is murder... trying to move on potential rioters is nowhere near that !!! ffs !!
That would be why I said manslaughter not murder! Not intentional or premeditated but still the cause of death by acting in the manner he did. It's up to the jury to decide if the action was the use of reasonable force.
I don't fancy the chances as what was Thomlinson doing that would account for the proportionality of the force used!
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imamartian
i think falling asleep at the wheel on the M-way and killing soneone is manslaughter.. whereas a copper out to protect us... as long as they aim at the legs and only shove.... should be ok... !!!!
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The copper ought to have an extremely hard time in court justifying his actions. He is supposed to be trained how to act and react in this kind of situation. He's not supposed to be your average thug who sees red and lashes out. Yet, that is what he did.
The victim was passive and not approaching or goading the police.
If the police, as is claimed, thought he was obstructing them, then there is a better way to deal with the situation.
If the police shouted to him and he did not hear, or ignored them, then they could have come round in front of him so he could see them and asked him to move away. Had he declined, they could have moved him on without the need for any violence.
The shove was entirely uncalled for.
I don't honestly know how anyone who has seen the video can come to any other conclusion.
Given the copper's previous, this is his MO. He is not fit to wear a uniform.
The victim was passive and not approaching or goading the police.
If the police, as is claimed, thought he was obstructing them, then there is a better way to deal with the situation.
If the police shouted to him and he did not hear, or ignored them, then they could have come round in front of him so he could see them and asked him to move away. Had he declined, they could have moved him on without the need for any violence.
The shove was entirely uncalled for.
I don't honestly know how anyone who has seen the video can come to any other conclusion.
Given the copper's previous, this is his MO. He is not fit to wear a uniform.
Walking in front of the police line with hands in pocket is not proportional to the force used. Yes it looks like Harwood did not mean to cause harm but he did, using excessive force. It was not just a little shove was it. He simply should have known better. If Thomlinson had not have been injured Harwood would still be facing charges of assault. The police can not be exempt from the law, they should be setting an example for us all to follow.
Let's see what a jury of his peers have to say about it!
Let's see what a jury of his peers have to say about it!
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joinerjohn
You now trying to claim that Ian Tomlinson was a "Potential rioter" ?????
FFS open your eyes to the truth. PC Harwood had no business even being on that street. He should have obeyed orders and stayed with the van, but he chose to join in with his fellow officers , but went much further than any other officer that day.
His history has been one of violent conduct, (or doesn't that matter?? )
Surely even you can see Harwood fro what he really is/was? A violent thug , who deserves what's coming to him. ?
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joinerjohn
Sorry you can't be a***d with all of the quoting, but read your statement there (I've highlighted the relevant bit for you)
Ian Tomlinson, didn't even get the chance to be found guilty of anything. Harwood acted as judge , jury and executioner , that day. If someone acts like a thug, behaves like a thug, and (probably ) even looks like a thug, then he more than likely is a thug. This describes Harwood down to a T.
Excessive force ? He didn't exactly beat the man to death vibro.
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Legal, and then a group of "understanding" of the rules ... the police have an 'event' ... they want you to go a different way home ... you go to a different homeon the road ... you do not dig out the manual on human rights and the debate toss ...
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