Liar .............

[peaps2]

Walking in front of the police line with hands in pocket is not proportional to the force used. Yes it looks like Harwood did not mean to cause harm but he did, using excessive force

Excessive force ? He didn't exactly beat the man to death vibro.

he just used unnecessary force that killed him. He is in front of a jury and going by the for and against in this forum....

coppers are treated like child sex pests in jail, this copper has a living hell on it's way and I'm gland he's going to suffer

 

[ellal]

Still waiting for martian to care about those 333 deaths in custody after he 'cared' so much about only 4 deaths and berated others...

Still, nothing unexpected from a police apologist*

*one generalisation deserves another...

 

[JohnD]

... they want you to go a different way home ... you go to a different homeon the road...

Not this man. In this particular example (there is good video footage) they blocked his exit by all routes, he wandered around and around trying to find a way out without success.

 

[securespark]

If the police shouted to him and he did not hear, or ignored them, then they could have come round in front of him so he could see them and asked him to move away. Had he declined, they could have moved him on without the need for any violence.

What a lovely dreamy world you must live in secure

The police have special training to teach them how to act and react in these sorts of situations.

Like most of what the police do, there is a recognised way of doing things, dealing with situations. It is all documented. He has no excuse.

Are you saying that it is acceptable for a police officer, so trained, to then ignore that training and do as he likes?

 

[LastMagicBean]

Are you saying that it is acceptable for a police officer, so trained, to then ignore that training and do as he likes?

Like many other vocations in life, you can have all the training known to mankind, but you simply can't be trained for the pressures and emotions involved in certain circumstances. It simply can't be replicated and rehearsed.

This is the real world my friend.

This was a riot situation with scumbags all over the show, battering, burning and looting (to name but a few).
If the copper had the benefit of hindsight, I bet he would wish he'd gone sick that day.
Hindsight's a luxury none of us have when confronted by scum on a daily basis.

I completely understand yours and the other boys sentiments on this subject. I just don't happen to agree.

 

[vibrobullit407]

Excessive force ? He didn't exactly beat the man to death vibro.

No, but he did strike and push over an innocent man causing his death! The force he used for this on an unsteadily walking man is certainly excessive in my eyes and lets hope in the jurors eyes as well!

 

[joe-90]

The whole situation is ridiculous and offensive.

I agree, he should get life for attacking an innocent man.

 

[oilboffin]

That's a little extreme troll let's calm down after a day exposed to louts causing trouble this copper was tired and cheesed of because like the army in northern Ireland you have rules like any civilised country and you get frustrated now this man walked in front of these coppers and eithe didn't hear them or ignored them. This copper snapped and pushed him yes too hard but didn't want him to die so yes he does need to be dismissed from the force but not jailed he has given good service in the past so let his good record be seen and just dismiss him that is indeed punishment enough

 

[joe-90]

He doesn't have a good record - he's a fookin thug.

 

[vibrobullit407]

The whole situation is ridiculous and offensive. The police should receive medals and bonuses for killing rioters, not punishment.

In an ideal world, all police officers would have guns, and be free to protect law abiding citizens, by shooting rioters, tree-huggers, communists, protesters, students, criminals, heathens, animals, and anyone else they see as a threat.

And innocent men in the wrong place at the wrong time? We have a judicial system in this country that relies on our peers to find some one guilty not just one man with a gun!

Don't get me wrong I have the up most respect for our heroes in blue, just no respect with the thugs that mascaraed as these heroes. The police in general do an outstanding job and should receive more praise for what they do. However in this instance a fully trained police officer decided to put all his training to the side and "unlawfully" kill this innocent man. What he did was most certainly wrong and he will pay for his mistake just like any one else should in the same scenario.

 

[vibrobullit407]

You obviously hate freedom, civilised society, and those that protect it.

On contrary, I live in a civilized society now just like Thomlinson did. He did not deserve to die from the judgement of one man! It seems to me like you are in fact the one who wants police to have a shoot to kill policy with no come backs. Is the society you endorse civilized and free? Seems more like a communist society to me and not the democracy we live in today. If you do something fundamentally wrong then you should be held to account by a jury of your peers! How more civilized can you get! Killing people because your having a bad day is just not good enough and can not be tolerated. Harwood will get whats coming to him through being judged at court and he has only himself to blame for this!

 

[JohnD]

Like many other vocations in life, you can have all the training known to mankind, but

...but if you're a violent thug, and you think you'll get away with it, then you might sometimes attack some daft old bugger wandering around the pavements grumbling. You might consider yourself very unfortunate if there happen to be so many cameras on you that you get caught, and you might regret you didn't so it somewhere out of sight (that time)

 

[pred]

That's a little extreme troll let's calm down after a day exposed to louts causing trouble this copper was tired and cheesed of because like the army in northern Ireland you have rules like any civilised country and you get frustrated now this man walked in front of these coppers and eithe didn't hear them or ignored them. This copper snapped and pushed him yes too hard but didn't want him to die so yes he does need to be dismissed from the force but not jailed he has given good service in the past so let his good record be seen and just dismiss him that is indeed punishment enough

So if i were to build an extension for you and a month later it fell down because i was tired due to the fact that i had been working late into the night making the most of some good weather, then that would be ok? and you wouldn't take me to court?

 

[peaps2]

That's a little extreme troll let's calm down after a day exposed to louts causing trouble this copper was tired and cheesed of because like the army in northern Ireland you have rules like any civilised country and you get frustrated now this man walked in front of these coppers and eithe didn't hear them or ignored them. This copper snapped and pushed him yes too hard but didn't want him to die so yes he does need to be dismissed from the force but not jailed he has given good service in the past so let his good record be seen and just dismiss him that is indeed punishment enough

Interesting that you can't be charge with a section 5 public order offence (cause harassment alarm or distress) against a police officer, this is because they are expected to be able to cope because of their training, a member of the public has to be around for it to be an offence.

The police go through extensive riot training and are expected to act accordingly.

Bringing in NI is a troll like move if you ask me, moved on since.

 

[imamartian]

The copper ought to have an extremely hard time in court justifying his actions. He is supposed to be trained how to act and react in this kind of situation. He's not supposed to be your average thug who sees red and lashes out. Yet, that is what he did.

The victim was passive and not approaching or goading the police.

If the police, as is claimed, thought he was obstructing them, then there is a better way to deal with the situation.

If the police shouted to him and he did not hear, or ignored them, then they could have come round in front of him so he could see them and asked him to move away. Had he declined, they could have moved him on without the need for any violence.

The shove was entirely uncalled for.

I don't honestly know how anyone who has seen the video can come to any other conclusion.

Given the copper's previous, this is his MO. He is not fit to wear a uniform.

Again plenty of spin... !!

There are many ways to try to obstruct the police.... sitting down and singing for one !! Tomlinson's demeanour was one of someone who wasn't particularly pleased to be told what to do.. and his body language suggested a kind of "i'll go when i'm ready" attitude. And whilst (i'll say again) i'm gutted he died, you can't know someone might die from a disproportionate action - which is what a shove is..... if you found a group of men with guns running wild in your town killing your family, would you "shove them"? i doubt it...

You talk about the police walking in front of this guy to make him aware - that's nonsence... a police line moving towards you is probably one of the most obvious things you will ever experience... use your common and go where they point...

4500 or so coppers have died in the last century (i will check my figures) fighting crime... most were law abiding decent people dealing with the worst our society has to offer... and one copper "shoves" someone too hard and you're all up in arms....!!!!!

Imagine you're in a pub, late on, with your missus... and some lads are nearby and one of them grabs your wife's b00b.... you'd probably smack 'im... wouldn't you?

So what if the guy died from a blood clot casued by that punch... should you swing for that punch?