Lighting for Village Hall

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I am seeking advice from forum contributors about replacement lighting for a village hall. The hall is approx 15m x 6m and has a high vaulted ceiling with four timber roof trusses (see pictures here http://www.hunsdonvillagehall.org/facilities). It has mixed use from Badminton and carpet bowls which need good lighting levels, to parties and performances which need reduced lighting levels. The existing light fittings are 8ft twin T12? fluorescent fittings with wire guards. These are fine for Carpet Bowls and Badminton but are too bright for parties etc. there are currently four banks of two fittings each on a separate switch wire(4 switches).
We have asked local electricians for quotations to replace these as the 8ft tubes are more or less obsolete and we need some "mood" lighting for non sporting events. My brief for quotations was for dimmable fluorescents controlled in two banks (left and right of hall) on the basis this would free up two switch wires which could then be used for "Mood" lighting
One electrician has quoted for 4 banks of 5ft T8 twin fluorescents with dimmable control gear and ballasts, plus some 50w Halogen spotlights on each of the timber trusses which shine up to the ceiling like a wall wash effect. In addition he is to fit some colour changing led flexible strips along the timber bearers as additional mood lights for discos christmas etc
The second electrician has specified 4 banks of 6ft T8 twin dimmable fluorescents with some 100w spotlights on a track system, presumably to run horizontal along the timber bearers between the trusses. Both quotes have come in around £4500-£4800.
My first question is the light output of the two quotes. Assuming both have daylight tubes is the light output from the 5ft fittings comparable with the existing 8Ft 125w T12 fittings or do we need to go to 6ft T8 fittings.
Secondly the badminton club always complain about the lights being an obstruction to play. We could possibly put the lights longitudinally with the orientation of the court but that would mean additional high level mounting points and long chains. Are there alternative circular light fittings which would provide the same light output and light coverage as fluorescents and are these dimmable. For example these type of High Bay warehouse lamps with a metal halide bulb or HPS lamp rather than LED http://www.ukledlightingdirect.com/100w-acrylic-led-highbay-light.html. How do these compare price wise with a 6Ft twin fluorescent with dimmable ballast or are they much more expensive.
Lots of questions but we really need some advice
Many thanks
Fozzie
 
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Judging by the pics they don't look long enough to be 8ft tubes, at a guess 5ft or 6ft. What wattage tubes are in there?

As the walls are fairly light and is a fairly small room I think the LED ones you link to will be way too bright - they are equivalent to 250w MH!
 
I have in the past got it wrong with Low Bay lighting and it is a specialised job selecting lights. Looking at the main hall I would expect low bay lights would work well where the problem arises is if ceiling is too low needs to be over 20 ft really.

As to High Bay lighting well looking at 60 ft or more.

In both cases norm is to fit lighting track so existing wiring would not be used.
 
The old 8 foots will be old Halophosphor tubes whereas the new 5ft and 6ft will be Triphosphor and more efficient
6 foots willl be as good as in my opinion 5 foot may be borderline.

Dimming of these will usually entail running an additional control cable up to the fittings

100 watt spots are a bit dated, theres some nice tracks about but a better fitting may be more suitable
 
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I'd definately be going down the LED route for this room.

Are either of your electricians lighting specialists?

If not, you need to get a proper lighting designer to design the lighting and write you a proper specification for your electricians to quote you from. Most electrical wholesalers will offer a design service for free in the hope you'll buy your light fittings from them.

Using 50W halogens to light the ceiling is just madness!
 
Judging by the pics they don't look long enough to be 8ft tubes, at a guess 5ft or 6ft. What wattage tubes are in there?!
We are pretty sure they are 8ft as the tubes are 125w.


As the walls are fairly light and is a fairly small room I think the LED ones you link to will be way too bright - they are equivalent to 250w MH!

We were not thinking about the LED one due to the expense but this type of fitting with normal metal halide bulbs if these provide the correct light levels and colour
Fozzie
 
I'd definately be going down the LED route for this room.

Are either of your electricians lighting specialists?
No that has been our problem. I have tried unsucessfully to find a specialist who can advise on an appropriate design. Each electrician has a different view. Being a charity we are finding it difficult to find the money for the actual work let alone paying for a consultant.

If not, you need to get a proper lighting designer to design the lighting and write you a proper specification for your electricians to quote you from. Most electrical wholesalers will offer a design service for free in the hope you'll buy your light fittings from them.

Using 50W halogens to light the ceiling is just madness!

There are a couple of wholesalers near us Edmundson, City Electrical Factors and Medlocks. I assume they dont have their own lighting specialists but relay on manufacturers? The only well known one I know is Thorn!! Are there any other major lighting manufacturers for this type of kit and any preference on the three wholesalers above to approach?
Many thanks for the responses to date.
Fozzie
 
I know that CEF certainly do have their own in-house lighting designers, and I'd imagine the others do too.

It's well worth getting them down, even if it's just to give you some more ideas for what scheme you'd like to go with.

The firm I used to work for got in a lighting designer who designed us layouts for everything from church halls to football stadium floodlighting.

We would present the designs to the customer as if we had done them and then tweak the designs to suit ours / the customers requirements.
 
Jeez it must be 37 years since I did lighting designs as a trainee, forgot it all now
 
On account of the sun providing most of his lighting needs during the day then lead lamps and torches after dark.... ;)
 

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