logical step for Labour is to reverse Brexit

[carmanmemoranda]

As MBK says, give benefits to low earners in order to keep their jobs and earn more than someone who doesnt work and just takes benefits. It is the way that it should be, work and earn more money than someone who doesnt work. The low earner jobs still need doing so top up the money to a decent wage to keep them doing it.

If work doesn't pay better than benefits don't complain about people who choose the benefit option

I really don't understand why so many (all reform supporters) support low wages.

I thought we wanted a well paid society with money to spend to keep our economy going.

 

[Highway Man]

If work doesn't pay better than benefits don't complain about people who choose the benefit option

I really don't understand why so many (all reform supporters) support low wages.

I thought we wanted a well paid society with money to spend to keep our economy going.

Not everyone can be a big hitter

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Not everyone can be a big hitter

Agreed.

But somebody working full time should be able to live on a wage. As it is, you and me subsidise a lot of working people by giving them benefits.

If I was in that position I'd be asking why am I bothering working when I could get the same money by not working.

Crazy crazy crazy to be supporting (unliveable) low wages

 

[Highway Man]

Agreed.

But somebody working full time should be able to live on a wage. As it is, you and me subsidise a lot of working people by giving them benefits.

If I was in that position I'd be asking why am I bothering working when I could get the same money by not working.

Crazy crazy crazy to be supporting (unliveable) low wages

I don't think anyone is supporting low wages, but there are those who are unqualified to do anything else but that type of work. It wouldn't be fair either if someone unqualified was earning the same as a qualified man. So there is always going to be low paid work which is good for those who have no choice but to take that work.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I don't think anyone is supporting low wages,

You and mbk are. You've both said it

but there are those who are unqualified to do anything else but that type of work.

Agreed, but a basic wage should pay enough to live in

It wouldn't be fair either if someone unqualified was earning the same as a qualified man.

And a higher pay is right for the skilled

So there is always going to be low paid work which is good for those who have no choice but to take that work.

Yes. Just pay them for it

 

[Highway Man]

You and mbk are. You've both said it

Agreed, but a basic wage should pay enough to live in

And a higher pay is right for the skilled

Yes. Just pay them for it

If the low paid became higher wage earners and the skilled workers became higher paid then our cost of living would soar. It would be unsustainable and unfortunately there has to be low paid work. Everything work wise has a monetry value or you would have plumbers earning what us sparks earn and we couldnt have that

 

[JohnD]

I remember one of the Labour party cabinet boasting about how high they'd made house prices back in the 2000s.

I don't recall that. If you provide a link I might look at it next time I am looking at the history of British politics.

 

[JohnD]

How are they doing that

they did it by hiding it in a tangle of interconnected offshore accounts, since you ask.

but they were found out.

 

[JohnD]

Labour wants the poor to stay poor.

made-up nonsense.

 

[motorbiking]

You and mbk are. You've both said it

you have presented a view of the world that is simplistic to the ridiculous

Agreed, but a basic wage should pay enough to live in

how much is that - you wont say - seems to be kinda important to making the argument.

And a higher pay is right for the skilled

help people get skills is what I've said

Yes. Just pay them for it

thats not how being an employee works. The idea is you deliver more value to your employer than he pays you.

If you can't get a better paid job then society should help and motivate you to keep working at it.

If you artificially force the employer to pay more than the value of the work, then expect him to hire fewer people or take the work to a country that is cheaper. Resulting in more people making zero contributions and higher taxes for those that pay most of the taxes.

 

[motorbiking]

Irrelevant

relevant

So you support low pay. We got there at last.

I support people having jobs - less taxes for me to pay

Keep paying more taxes then. Stop complaining about tgem

more people in jobs means less taxes for me.

If you can't understand a principal, it really isn't my problem.

Its nonsense if you cannot define it.

 

[pete01]

have plumbers earning what us sparks earn and we couldnt have that

Just for messing about with pipes?.....ppfftttt

 

[motorbiking]

As it is, you and me subsidise a lot of working people by giving them benefits.

It's not you.

 

[Highway Man]

Just for messing about with pipes?.....ppfftttt

Exactly

 

[Notch7]

I don't think anyone is supporting low wages, but there are those who are unqualified to do anything else but that type of work. It wouldn't be fair either if someone unqualified was earning the same as a qualified man. So there is always going to be low paid work which is good for those who have no choice but to take that work.

that is fine and is not the problem

The problem is that during the austerity years 2010 onwards wages for ordinary citizens, especially the lower paid stagnated, but the pay and wealth accumulation of the rich grew substantially.

The U.K. now has poor standard of living for ordinary citizens and has fallen behind comparable economies.

That’s the problem