New light fitted but not working (photo's attached)

[Dutchmedic]

I've been trying to replace this :

With this :

So this is the old hanging bulb rose :

Which has

3 x earth (green/yellow) in 1 cable
1 x live (black with red sleeve)
2 x neutral (black)
3 x loop (red)

However the new light fitting only has a hole for Live and Neutral, and a screw to connect Earth to :

So my initial question was, what do i do this those 3 red loop wires, and with the second neutral one ?

I went to B&Q and was advised to get one of these junction boxes, which i did, together with some wiring (which has a live, earth, and neutral in it)

As advised i then connected it up like this :

3 x earth --> terminal box --> 1 x earth into earth screw of new lamp
2 x neutral --> terminal box --> 1 x neutral into new lamp.
1 x live --> terminal box --> 1 x live into new lamp.
3 x loop --> terminal box (clamped together).

But i just tried the light, and it's not working.

Is it likely that one of the wires has become undone in the junction box, or have i wired something up incorrect ?

 

[Spark123]

A photo of the wiring in the new junction box will help, it sounds correct from your explanation. The 1x live you speak of on the left hand side of your explanation is the black with the red sleeve btw.
Junction boxes should be accessible for inspection and testing too.
Piccy here of how it should be: //www.diynot.com/wiki/electrics:jbnonharm
although you probably have brown and blue + earth for the new light

 

[viewer]

Sounds like the two black neutrals should be joined together with a short wire from this joint to the neutral on the lamp. All reds go together. The sleeved red over black goes directly to the lamp, or to a connection with a short wire from the connection to the lamp. Originally this is how it would have been with a hanging pendant - the 2 short wires mentioned above would have been the drop from rose to lamp.

 

[Dutchmedic]

This is how it looks now :

 

[KevinAllwood]

Check your connections at the lamp holder, if they are push on type


Regards,

KA

 

[EFLImpudence]

 

[sparkwright]

I take it the black with the red sleeve is the same one as before you started.

Check all connections are secure.

Have to say the connection with the black with red sleeve and the brown looks appalling.

You shouldn't have too much exposed copper, also you must make sure the insulation isn't under the terminal screw.

You also shouldn't have the red and black and green and yellow emerging out of the junction box like that.

It's important if you take wires out of a connector that you check the wire end isn't too damaged before re-connecting it.

Flex in particular is prone to damage, so check for broken strands and re-strip.

Doubling over the ends of flex will make it more substantial so you get a better connection.

The lampholder on the fitting itself may be making a poor contact, so check this too.
Have another go and show us.

 

[conny]

Sometimes the ES type of lamp doesn't make good contact with the terminals in the fitting. Screw in as far as possible without forcing it. If it doesn't light up try backing it off a bit at a time. I have found this sometimes works. As stated, tidy up the connections in the junction box as well.

 

[Dutchmedic]

Redone the wiring and now it's all working, thanks for the help everyone.

I struggled a bit getting the earth wire around that screw on the new lamp, so i've used this crimping ring terminal which i had left from when i was installing some car audio, i take it they're ok for this as well ?

 

[rjm2k]

This is how it looks now :

Umm, couldn't you have just left the rose as was instead of replacing it like this?

 

[Dutchmedic]

No because the old black one was much bigger then this new white one, so i wouldn't have been able to get the old one through the hole in the ceiling.

 

[jamesDIYjamesbond]

So where is the white round junction box hiding ? is it pushed into the ceiling void and screwed to a joist over the new light fitting.

Very neat.