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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by merlin50, 1 Jun 2012.

  1. merlin50

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    some types of rubble in landfill sites had leapt from £2.50 a tonne to £64 a tonne. :eek:
     
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    Care to elaborate or post a link?
     
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    google new skip tax


    On Friday 18 May, thousands of small businesses in the skip disposal industry, employing 20,000 to 30,000 people, were affected by the changing of the tax rate for the disposal of materials from skips from £2.50 a tonne to £64 a tonne. A typical business with dozens of skips now faces bills of tens of thousands of pounds, with many expected to go out of business, damaging the construction industry still further.

    The two new changes to the rules governing Landfill Tax came in on Friday 18 May. The move relates to a judgement in the HMRC v Waste Recycling Group (2008) case.

    Material used to protect or ‘provide a suitable stable substrate’ at the top of a landfill will now be taxed. In the past, it has not been taxed as it was seen as an engineering material.

    As I understand it, rubble and soil are used at night time to provide a cover for daytime domestic/household refuse as part of tip management and were therefore given an exemption (at £2.50 per tonne) as 'engineering waste'. The ruling has removed that exemption.

    As a result, disposal sites have increased the charge per skip by hundreds of pounds almost overnight. For instance, Sita in Morden, Surrey, raised their charge for the smallest skip from £144 to £300 on 28 May.

    I have every sympathy with skip hire firms and I have now contacted almost every skip hire firm in Hyndburn to listen to their concerns. One Hyndburn firm has stated to me this afternoon that they will have to lay off 18 workers almost immediately. They tell me skip hire prices are going to have rise extortionately and redundancies are expected at other firms. These costs will be passed onto builders and other tradespeople. Hardly encouraging the building industry either.

    Why did the government treasury minister responsible, David Gauke MP not see this coming? Questions have to be asked if the treasury were aware that HMRC were pursuing this case and if so what was the treasury's contingency plan for the skip hire industry and connected businesses? At the moment it seems the answer is none.

    George Osborne should have been aware that given the adverse reaction to the tax implications in his budget (Pasty Tax, Caravan Tax, Granny Tax, Charities Tax, Churches Tax et al) his reputation was on the line and to be ever more vigilant. A complete #omnishambles if you ask me.

    The question now is, what are the government going to do and soon to resolve the problem it has presided over?

    LINK; http://www.skiphiremagazine.co.uk/tag/landfill-rates/

    Thousands to lose jobs due to 2460% hike in Landfill Tax

    Summary

    Thousands of small businesses in the skip disposal industry employing 20,000 to 30,000 people, are now under threat because on Friday 18 May, HMRC changed the tax rate for disposing of materials from skips from £2.50 to £64 a tonne – a tax hike of 2460%.

    As a result, disposal sites have increased the charge per skip by hundreds of pounds almost overnight. For instance, Sita in Morden, Surrey, raised their charge for the smallest skip from £144 to £300 on 28 May.

    Because the increase was introduced at such short notice, the firms, which operate on very tight margins, are unable to take away skips that are currently being used by builders and construction firms. The cost of removal is greater than the money paid by the user.

    A typical business with dozens of skips faces a bill of tens of thousands of pounds, and many are expected to go out of business. This will further damage a construction industry whose struggles are responsible for sending Britain into a double-dip recession.

    Campaigners say the new tax rate is another example of Government incompetence, is counter-productive, and has been badly thought through. The consequences will be:

    increased unemployment as skip companies and transfer stations struggle to adapt increased fly-tipping around abandoned skips
    skips attract household rubbish and objects such as mattresses if they are left unattended on the street for long periods extra costs for already struggling builders and construction companies, due to higher gate rates, the closure of skip hire firms, and increased difficulties disposing of waste; this will slow down construction projects and damage economic growth
    if skips cannot be economically obtained by builders, there will be a significant increase in illegal dumping of construction waste
    greater hazard at landfill sites – building waste is needed as a safe top layer for landfill

    One 43-year-old operator has already died of a heart attack hours after a protest meeting at which he expressed concern for his family business.

    Protesters’ actions so far

    Angry operators blockaded traffic in Parliament Square for several hours last Thursday, and are considering a blockade of a thousand skips in London over the 4-day Jubilee weekend.

    Siobhain McDonagh MP has called a campaign meeting in Committee Room 14 of the House of Commons on Thursday 31 May, and is inviting the Prime Minister, Chancellor of the Exchequer and the HMRC, as well as Labour’s Chuka Umunna, Ed Balls and Rachel Reeves.

    What the waste firms want

    The imposition of the higher rate of landfill tax suspended for six months.
    Formal consultation between the industry and all relevant government departments.
    As part of this consultation exercise, a working group established, with industry representatives and relevant members of the government departments, to discuss and resolve the practical issues of implementing such a change.
    The possibility of an intermediate tax rate for certain materials to be examined.
    Transitional arrangements to ‘phase in’ any increase in landfill tax.
     
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    It hasn't risen from £2.50 to £64 companies wasn't applying the rules correctly.
    Standard landfill was only £48 rising to £56 last yr this yr it rises by another £8 to £64.
    Most waste is still £2.50 only harder to dispose of waste is at the new rate of £64.
     
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    Thanks for the information merlin just right when I can't be bothered to google it.
    To be honest I can understand the increase, even if it seems harsh. On a training day the other year we were told that industry figures gave a value of something like £ 7-800 worth of materials in the average builders skip plus coupled with dwindling landfill capacity meant that trying to reduce waste could only be a good thing. I've actually followed in my father's footsteps in trying to reduce the value in any skip I can but that's another matter :D
    I agree it could perhaps have been thought about a bit more though rather than just slapped on . My own personal feeling is that all skips should be emptied at prisons and the inmates forced to sort the rubbish for salvage before any goes to landfill.
     
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    This all to do with EU regulations on reducing landfill.

    In other words, they need blockade the EU parliament, nothing our parliament can do about it.
     
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    So its our waste filling our own countryside making nice hills and yet were stung for the pleasure cos ooh EU says so!!

    Nothing about this country is good, if I won the lottery I would be gone in a flash ya can keep ya shoddy weather overpriced road tax and s*h*i*t*y am alright jack people!!

    The UK can suck my ring hairs!! end off!!
     
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    Where would you go?

    Andy
     
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    Good way to get knives and guns inside.
     
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    I have no idea, but as long as its hot
     
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    My uncle had enough and moved to Malta, they speak english, drive on the correct side of the road, you can use a 3 pin plug! And its scorching ( most of the time!)
    Going to visit him soon!! :)
     
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    I've often thought that the unemployed should all be required to work 8 hours a day down the local tips sorting the rubbish and recycling every last scrap where possible, thus earning their handouts.
     
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    Round here when you take rubbish to the council tip (recycling centre) they do go through your stuff manually and sort it into the correct skip. I suppose this is the only way to get recycling rates high.

    Must be profitable for the recycling company to pay employees to do this. Lots of Eastern Europeans working that job, Brits must think themselves too good perhaps to go through peoples waste. Always sort mine before I get there but lots of people don't seem to bother.
     
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    although it would be difficult to target specfic prisoners with weapons or drugs, and any way there are easy ways around it , stripping to underware , searches and machine gun towers :mrgreen:
     
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    And what about the ones made redundant/injured ? Who have paid tax and insurance for years on end?
    Apply for 50 jobs a week?

    What would be the use of stopping them from trying to regain employment, as sorting out others rubbish would prevent the applications being made. With no worthwhile job experience either.
     
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