Non-bidirectional RCD/RCBO feeding sockets, should they get a code C2 with EICR?

here are a load of things which can be plugged in which do not even conform to BS 1363. Never seen one of these <image> marked with BS 1363, and I have seen a website called fatefully flawed where they point out the dangers, so all we can do it put them in a bag and present to owner to bin them.
Yes, we obviously all know that, since we've done the topic to death in the past - although it's not that easy to really get a proper feel for the issues/'dangers', since the material and arguments presented by "Fatally Flawed" are not exactly 'objective and unbiased'.
As to condemning sockets which had them plugged in as the socket could be strained as a result of fitting a non BS 1363 items, I think that is going too far.
Indeed, but that illustrates the folly of coding things on an EICR which 'might happen in the future' - in both cases (plug-in inverters and those plug/socket thingies) anyone could buy (and 'plug in') one of the items the day after the EICR, but one can't code every installation because of that possibility!
 
As to condemning sockets which had them plugged in as the socket could be strained as a result of fitting a non BS 1363 items, I think that is going too far.
Just because "not BS1363", I'd agree. But when you look at the size/shape of some of the "safety" covers, it's not hard to see how some of them could damage the socket.
 
I watched a Jonathan Tracey YouTube called Is Plug-In Solar LEGAL in the UK? He links to Is Plug-In Solar Legal in the UK? The Complete 2026 Guide which says "Quick answer
Yes, plug-in solar is legal in the UK since 24 March 2026."

But then continues "The BSI product standard that certifies kits for DIY self-connection is expected summer 2026. Until then, the fully compliant route is to use a qualified electrician."!

It does seem it is legal, but does not comply with regulations, which seems to be splitting hairs, as that has always been the case, there was no real change to any law on the 24th of March 2026.

If using a FCU it is not plug in solar, simple, can you use plug in solar and comply with the regulations, the answer has to be yes, but not using a BS1363 socket, you would need to use an EV charging socket.

A reference to "The wiring regulations (BS 7671 Amendment 4) are live." seems daft, as it was BS 1363 which did not permit it, so that needs to be re-written before we can use a 13 amp plug.

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OK, then why bother writing website?

So What you CANNOT do yet - Skip DNO notification — it's a legal requirement regardless. - Plug a kit into a wall socket yourself and be fully compliant.

So why say "Quick answer Yes, plug-in solar is legal in the UK since 24 March 2026."?

Either you can plug it in and be fully compliant or you can't, so quick answer it seems is No.1779528264683.png
So why bother making the video? Every report I see is by someone who already has completed a G99 or G98 and can get paid for export, so for the people that plug in solar is aimed at, the person in rented accommodation who want to be able to move it home to home, the report is useless.
 
I test a church with a children's play centre on the side and as I go round I unplug all those plastic things and tell them to throw them away, when I go back they are plugged back in :oops:
Possible ways to change their minds :
1) Tell them they are opening themselves up to massive personal liability since it is (or should be) well known that both the NHS and Dept. for Education ban them on safety grounds - it's there at the top of the Fatally Flawed website, didn't realise that both announcements are now around a decade old :rolleyes: If they then plug them in, having been told that they are dangerous, they open themselves up to claims that their insurance company will walk away from.
2) Next time, fail every socket that has one plugged in. Use a permanent marker or sticker that's going to be really hard to remove. They either spend ages scrubbing the markings off, or have the expense of replacing them.
3) Is this part of the church ? If so, inform the churchwardens (plus safeguarding officer, and incumbent priest if there is one) that the play centre is creating a real safety risk to the children and a fire risk to the building. With my churchwarden hat on, I would be intervening - although if such a centre was part of my church, you would not be finding them in use.
 
Possible ways to change their minds :
1) Tell them they are opening themselves up to massive personal liability since it is (or should be) well known that both the NHS and Dept. for Education ban them on safety grounds - it's there at the top of the Fatally Flawed website, didn't realise that both announcements are now around a decade old :rolleyes: If they then plug them in, having been told that they are dangerous, they open themselves up to claims that their insurance company will walk away from.
I'm probably going to live to regret this, but reaching for my Devil's Advocate hat (since I've spent most of my life in 'evidence-based' environments, and feel a bit unhappy if/when it seems that others {particularly 'officialdom'} may be abandoning objectivity in favour of theorising'!) ....

The above is very reasonable, but only IF the NHS and Dept. for Education (and anyone else who has done likewise) has done adequate properly ('evidence-based') research and sought adequate advice (what some would call 'due diligence' these days) to satisfy themselves that there is fairly strong evidence that these products really do represent a net 'danger' - rather than just relying on the rather one-sided and seemingly not-very-objective arguments and material presented by such sources as "Fatally Flawed".

We hear a lot here about 'risk assessments', and I hope these are actually the "risk-benefit assessments/analyses" that have been a major part of my professional life for decades (on the basis that there are nearly always 'two sides to any story').

As I recall it, last time I looked Fatally Flawed did not actually report (let alone attempt to quantify the frequency of) any actual incidents of 'harm' related to the use of these products, although they certainly did document a number of what they described as 'near misses'. On the other side of the 'risk-benefit' assessment, I don't think they mention, let alone acknowledge (or attempt to quantify, which would be difficult) the possibility that there may well have been some cases in which use of the products has prevented the occurrence of harm. Without other information/input (which, I admit, would be very hard to find) it's therefore not really possible to be even reasonably sure that the potential downsides actually do outweigh the potential benefits. In fact, at the most basic of levels, I wonder if there have been any well-documented cases of significant harm resulting from use of the products ?

Then there is the question of the design of the products. I rather doubt that the fact that their pins are slightly larger than those of a BS1363 plug) arose by accident (it would have been just as easy/cheap to make them slightly smaller) - so I personally suspect that it was done deliberately, perhaps because they might at least partially fail to achieve their intended purpose if they were too easy to pull out. Whatever, I wonder if there is actually any evidence (rather than a 'theoretical possibility') that use of these products has ever significantly damaged a socket, or that any such damage has ever resulted in anyone coming to any harm ?

If it were to transpire that the NHS/Dept.of Education/Whoever has 'banned' the use of these products without adequate objective/critical research, such they had actually (due to inadequate thought/research/reason) 'banned' the use of something which actually had the potential to do more good than harm, then those organisations/bodies presumably might themselves be (to paraphrase your statement) "opening themselves up to the possibility of massive liability" ? ... and I would imagine that that 'risk' (of liability) will exist unless they have reasonably strong evidence that the products they are banning are likely to do more harm than good?
 
The NHS did ban the socket protectors in their properties. But I note still used in my doctors' surgery. We are going back around 4 years when they were banned, so no idea as to reason.

Very likely as not complying with BS 1363, so regulations will not allow them to be put into a socket unless they comply with BS 1363, so one could plug in a plug which has not cable going to it, but not the plastic lump simply as lacking the BS 1363 compliance.

I have questioned these
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due to ability of being locked, the BS 7671 table 53.2 lists what can be used for isolation, emergency switching and functional switching. The BS 1363 is not permitted for emergency switching, so I would assume no problem with the lockable cover?
 
The NHS did ban the socket protectors in their properties. But I note still used in my doctors' surgery. We are going back around 4 years when they were banned, so no idea as to reason
GP practices are not owned or run by the NHS. They are independent organisations working under various contracts to provide NHS funded services to their registered patients.
 
I'm probably going to live to regret this
In summary regarding the 'socket protectors' or whatever else they may be called:

In the UK they serve no purpose since every BS1363 socket outlet already includes shutters.
Shoving items into the socket to cover them up will at best, achieve nothing.

Looking for 'evidence' that they might somehow be beneficial is irrelevant, since the product has no purpose and should not exist.


If it were to transpire that the NHS/Dept.of Education/Whoever has 'banned' the use of these products without adequate objective/critical research,
This is exactly why nothing ever gets done in such places.

X needs to be done.
Instead of doing that, lets waste billions and decades on spurious research until the money runs out.
 
In summary regarding the 'socket protectors' or whatever else they may be called: .... In the UK they serve no purpose since every BS1363 socket outlet already includes shutters. ... Shoving items into the socket to cover them up will at best, achieve nothing.
That is merely an opinion.

In general, we try to avoid situations in which there is only one level of protection against a potential danger. I presume that you would not approve of people being protected from contact with live parts/conductors only by 'basic insulation' (e.g. 'single-insulated' conductors), even though the situation remains totally safe unless that one level of protection 'fails'?
Looking for 'evidence' that they might somehow be beneficial is irrelevant, since the product has no purpose and should not exist.
Don't get me wrong - I know nothing about the extent (if any) of possible beneficial effects. However, I make no apology for preferring practices to be based on evidence, rather than on opinions, theorising and speculation/guesswork (or because of pressure applied by individuals/organisations/whatever).
This is exactly why nothing ever gets done in such places. .... X needs to be done. .... Instead of doing that, lets waste billions and decades on spurious research until the money runs out.
Well, these places certainly did cause something "to get done" ('banning' the products), whether they spent nothing or billions in ascertaining whether or not it actually 'needed' to be done (or maybe, even, that it "should not" have been done).

If/when it subsequently transpires that the lack of adequate research/thought/consultation on the part of 'such places' has resulted in decisions/actions (or inactions) that have actually been 'harmful' or detrimental, we are very quick to label the situation as 'a scandal', with calls for 'heads to roll' and talk of massive amounts of 'compensation'. Quite apart from that, as I wrote above:
However, I make no apology for preferring practices to be based on evidence, rather than on opinions, theorising and speculation/guesswork (or because of pressure applied by individuals/organisations/whatever).
I wonder what is your opinion (and that of others) is about the requirement for 'non-combustible' CUs?
 

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