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Well said tim west. Been teaching for 40 years now and have confiscated thousands and thousands of cigs during that time. Must have saved me a fortune over the years!
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Well said tim west. Been teaching for 40 years now and have confiscated thousands and thousands of cigs during that time. Must have saved me a fortune over the years!
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The argument that the status quo (wrt to tax) is too delicate to disturb is easily defeated.
For example: if nobody had ever smoked, and cigarettes were invented now, and all the health pitfalls (to mention but one cost) were known up front, would it be sensible to legalise them, increase spending on the NHS accordingly, and pay for all the damage with the contents of the public purse?
I don't think it would.
Get rid of the bleeding things; you could simulate the effects more cheaply by drowning the relevant percentage of new born babies in vats of tar.
For example: if nobody had ever smoked, and cigarettes were invented now, and all the health pitfalls (to mention but one cost) were known up front, would it be sensible to legalise them, increase spending on the NHS accordingly, and pay for all the damage with the contents of the public purse?
I don't think it would.
Get rid of the bleeding things; you could simulate the effects more cheaply by drowning the relevant percentage of new born babies in vats of tar.
RF Lighting said:
Sorry but that's false logic. As a nation, we can only spend what we earn and so the money we spend on fags is money we can't spend on anything else. For every pound that goes into the economy as tobacco tax, even more goes up in smoke - literally!
just a little FYI (from the States....where this makes absolutely no difference, whatsoever)....you have to be 21 or older with ID to purchase beer/alcohol and/or cigarettes. And you could "visibly" look like you are 109 (which to hear some you lot describing it...us smokers will look like anyway in just a few short years) and you still must bear a photo ID.
Imagine the expression on their faces, when Kev pulled out his UK license and presented it. Over here, store owners can be fined/jailed or lose their licenses to sell alcohol/tobacco if they sell to minors....so they take it very seriously...and there are signs posted to let you be aware ahead of time...so if you get your butt (scuse the pun) in a twist over it....tough...that's life...and THAT'S THE LAW (its a commercial tag line)
Imagine the expression on their faces, when Kev pulled out his UK license and presented it. Over here, store owners can be fined/jailed or lose their licenses to sell alcohol/tobacco if they sell to minors....so they take it very seriously...and there are signs posted to let you be aware ahead of time...so if you get your butt (scuse the pun) in a twist over it....tough...that's life...and THAT'S THE LAW (its a commercial tag line)
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Makes no difference, everything is taxable, if you don't smoke you will spend it elsewhere that's taxable, has I smoke all my life, I wouldn't be able to afford to retire early
a little off topic...but I guess you take it for granted. Your licenses are very different looking than here in quite a few ways. They are a different color (i think, but cant be sure that there was a lot of pink to his) and when searching for the date of birth...well....its backwards....and the print is smaller...and well...its foreign, for petes sakes....not sumtin we get around these parts, ya know
(and I think he looks extremely well and young for his age...but that's just me )if we are going to sell them then tax a fair amount but you can buy of smugglers at 40% less this cannot be good for the ecomomy and the according to the bbc last nigth if your fat ,smoke or ugly you wont get treatment on the OUR N>H>S>. lf you pay the tax then thats the bill paid in full so why should the N>H>S> trusts manager's tell us the people who own the N<H<S< what every our life style how can or cannot have tretment,
so why should the N>H>S> trusts manager's tell us the people who own the N<H<S< what every our life style how can or cannot have tretment, well they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.(and I think he looks extremely well and young for his age...but that's just me
reminds me must go to specsavers
Billyo, the ban is a reflection that the majority of people in this country don't smoke ... Hard to accept for smokers but true nonetheless.
As we live in a democracy the majority have the right not to inhale unwarranted products of combustion exhaled from the minority.
Sometimes you've just got to accept things as they are and move on.
The situation isn't going to change, IMO it's going to get more prescriptive and smokers will face more and more sanctions until, eventually, the only place you'll be able to smoke will be on your own property ... Assuming your property is fitted with nicotine filters
And, from an ex-smoker, not before time
Do yourself the biggest favour ... Give it up.
MW
As we live in a democracy the majority have the right not to inhale unwarranted products of combustion exhaled from the minority.
Sometimes you've just got to accept things as they are and move on.
The situation isn't going to change, IMO it's going to get more prescriptive and smokers will face more and more sanctions until, eventually, the only place you'll be able to smoke will be on your own property ... Assuming your property is fitted with nicotine filters
And, from an ex-smoker, not before time
Do yourself the biggest favour ... Give it up.
MW
Out of interest, Mlb3c, here a licence is required to sell liquor and intoxicating beverages.
There are 2 licences required though.
The premises must be licensed, and the person named as the premises supervisor, on the premises licence, must also hold a personal licence.
A premises licence details exactly what licensable activities are allowed to take place, at what hours. For example, alcohol sales between 0600 and 2300 hours (with a premises supervisor). For a casino it might be gambling at any hour. A premises licence is also required for late night refreshment provision - this is the sale of prepared food after 11pm.
In the event of an illegal sale by anyone in that store (whom there is written evidence that the premises supervisor has given permission to sell alcohol), the following can happen.
1. seller recieves large fine (max £5000 though normally £80 fixed on the spot)
2. premises supervisor recieves large fine / prison sentence
3. supervisor's personal licence revoked (most stores have 2 or more with a personal, so they can take over should this happen)
4. premises licence revoked
5. restrictions placed upon the premises licence, or a temporary revokation - normally 48 or 72 hours.
The authorities can impose any or all of the above penalties. I have seen staff dismissed from our company for selling to underage testers. Its not pretty. She failed twice so was dismissed.
Licences are not required to sell tobacco (as far as I know)
There are 2 licences required though.
The premises must be licensed, and the person named as the premises supervisor, on the premises licence, must also hold a personal licence.
A premises licence details exactly what licensable activities are allowed to take place, at what hours. For example, alcohol sales between 0600 and 2300 hours (with a premises supervisor). For a casino it might be gambling at any hour. A premises licence is also required for late night refreshment provision - this is the sale of prepared food after 11pm.
In the event of an illegal sale by anyone in that store (whom there is written evidence that the premises supervisor has given permission to sell alcohol), the following can happen.
1. seller recieves large fine (max £5000 though normally £80 fixed on the spot)
2. premises supervisor recieves large fine / prison sentence
3. supervisor's personal licence revoked (most stores have 2 or more with a personal, so they can take over should this happen)
4. premises licence revoked
5. restrictions placed upon the premises licence, or a temporary revokation - normally 48 or 72 hours.
The authorities can impose any or all of the above penalties. I have seen staff dismissed from our company for selling to underage testers. Its not pretty. She failed twice so was dismissed.
Licences are not required to sell tobacco (as far as I know)
Crumbs Steve. I never realized how much bureaucracy was involved in the sale of four cans of Carlsberg Special - and that's without the special offer! I'll treat it with more respect from now on, at least until I've finished the first can -- hic!
hic!
C
confidentincompetent
As A new non smoker I like the ban. But as usual this govmt has gon OTT Or have I got it wrong and there are exeptions in the uk ? like in spain/ europe where some caf'es clubs etc allow to smoke inside.?? not including the house of commons canteen
you can try banning.-taxing em high ,but it wont work you can still buy them in most back street pubs, off smugglers for less than £2,80p for 20. law inforcement officers and army's all over the world are trying to stop drugs but cant , drink,drugs driving your car all kill just as many people as fags , as i said before i dont smoke but i do take drugs the doc gives me 4 differant pills every day its just a nanny state pandering to the do gooders, if you having got a clue what to do just tax it, you'll look like you care ,as someone said they do exactly what it saids on the pack, it kills, well you got to die all you joggers take note dont drink dont smoke dont eat fat you wont live to be 100 it will just seem like it
drink,drugs driving your car all kill just as many people as fags , as i said before i dont smoke but i do take drugs the doc gives me 4 differant pills every day its just a nanny state pandering to the do gooders, if you having got a clue what to do just tax it, you'll look like you care ,as someone said they do exactly what it saids on the pack, it kills, well you got to die all you joggers take note dont drink dont smoke dont eat fat you wont live to be 100 it will just seem like it Billyo ... Nobody is talking about banning anything here?
Restrictions on where smoking is permitted are simply being applied to protect those who don't smoke ... In the same way that driving a car is restricted to the roads and isn't allowed on the pavement to protect pedestrians ... Do you get it now?
It really isn't the same thing as banning illegal substances ... Are you sure the Doc has been giving you the right pills?
MW
Restrictions on where smoking is permitted are simply being applied to protect those who don't smoke ... In the same way that driving a car is restricted to the roads and isn't allowed on the pavement to protect pedestrians ... Do you get it now?
It really isn't the same thing as banning illegal substances ... Are you sure the Doc has been giving you the right pills?
MW
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