Shower manufacturers do not make the law however if you ignored the MIs you may find it difficult to show compliance with: "P1 Reasonable provision shall be made in the design and installation of electrical installations in order to protect persons operating, maintaining or altering the installations from fire or injury. "
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jason1958 wrote...
>> 1. Yes, BR AD "P" Schedule 1 is the law.
>
> No it's not.
> The Building Regulations are law.
> Approved Documents are not.
Yes the BR states the law.
However BR AD "P" contains has both Legal & Guidance parts.
1) Law - Reference to SI
2) Guidance - Rest of the document
Statutory Instrument 2004 No. 18008.
- The Building Regulations 2004
- Part P Electrical Safety
- Design, Installation, Inspection & Testing
- P1 "Reasonable provision shall be made in the design, installation, inspection and testing of electrical installations in order to protect persons from fire or injury."
- and
- "7. Part P is added to regulation 8 of the principal Regulations which provide that compliance with the listed Parts does not require anything to be done beyond what is necessary to secure reasonable standards of health and safety (regulation 2(5))."
BR AD "P" Schedule 1 phrases it thus.
- "BR do not require anything to be done except for the purpose of securing reasonable standards of health and safety for persons in or about buildings (and any others who may be affected by buildings or matters connected with buildings)."
>> 1. Yes, BR AD "P" Schedule 1 is the law.
>
> No it's not.
> The Building Regulations are law.
> Approved Documents are not.
Yes the BR states the law.
However BR AD "P" contains has both Legal & Guidance parts.
1) Law - Reference to SI
2) Guidance - Rest of the document
Statutory Instrument 2004 No. 18008.
- The Building Regulations 2004
- Part P Electrical Safety
- Design, Installation, Inspection & Testing
- P1 "Reasonable provision shall be made in the design, installation, inspection and testing of electrical installations in order to protect persons from fire or injury."
- and
- "7. Part P is added to regulation 8 of the principal Regulations which provide that compliance with the listed Parts does not require anything to be done beyond what is necessary to secure reasonable standards of health and safety (regulation 2(5))."
BR AD "P" Schedule 1 phrases it thus.
- "BR do not require anything to be done except for the purpose of securing reasonable standards of health and safety for persons in or about buildings (and any others who may be affected by buildings or matters connected with buildings)."
BR AD "P" is not a legal document. It is only a guidance document.
The legal items you refer to are mandated by the buliding regulations via ammendments, see statutory instruments: SI3210-2004 and SI652-2006 for England / Wales.
The legal items you refer to are mandated by the buliding regulations via ammendments, see statutory instruments: SI3210-2004 and SI652-2006 for England / Wales.
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BS 7671:2008 says you must follow manufacturer's installation instructions, so if the manufacturer says install a switch, you must to comply with 7671:2008.
510.2, from memory, although I may be wring.
510.2, from memory, although I may be wring.
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"BS 7671:2008 says you must follow manufacturer's installation instructions, so if the manufacturer says install a switch, you must to comply with 7671:2008."
BS 7671 whatever Edition or Date is not a Statutory Document ie it is not the law. So whatever it states is not a legal requirement purely because BS7671 states it.
Something might be a legal requirement for other reasons though.
If BS7671 states Manufactures instructions/recommendations must/should be followed then that does not in itself make it law either.
It might well be a bloody good idea to follow it but that is a very different matter from it being the law.
Part P is (amongst others) the defining law.
The Approved doc is one suggested way of following it.
The approved doc sites BS 7671 or a similar standard by a European State but does not preclude working to the standards/codes of any civilised country or making your own up if you are competent to do so.
BS 7671 whatever Edition or Date is not a Statutory Document ie it is not the law. So whatever it states is not a legal requirement purely because BS7671 states it.
Something might be a legal requirement for other reasons though.
If BS7671 states Manufactures instructions/recommendations must/should be followed then that does not in itself make it law either.
It might well be a bloody good idea to follow it but that is a very different matter from it being the law.
Part P is (amongst others) the defining law.
The Approved doc is one suggested way of following it.
The approved doc sites BS 7671 or a similar standard by a European State but does not preclude working to the standards/codes of any civilised country or making your own up if you are competent to do so.
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EB - slow down, pal. I never said it was law, just required by the new regs.
Secure mate, twasn`t you that said it
Materials and workmanship
7. Building work shall be carried out -
. . (a) with adequate and proper materials which -
. . . . . . (i) are appropriate for the circumstances in which they are used,
. . . . . . (ii) are adequately mixed or prepared, and
. . . . . . (iii) are applied, used or fixed so as adequately to perform the functions for which they are designed; and
. . (b) in a workmanlike manner.
Not installing according to the manufacturers instructions looks like getting off on the wrong foot for that one....
7. Building work shall be carried out -
. . (a) with adequate and proper materials which -
. . . . . . (i) are appropriate for the circumstances in which they are used,
. . . . . . (ii) are adequately mixed or prepared, and
. . . . . . (iii) are applied, used or fixed so as adequately to perform the functions for which they are designed; and
. . (b) in a workmanlike manner.
Not installing according to the manufacturers instructions looks like getting off on the wrong foot for that one....
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Well, very interesting shower conversation. Just to clarify we don't know when the electric shower was installed but it was before we moved into the house April 07. It stopped working in May 08 and it still hasn't been changed because we have discovered that our new consumer unit was installed in October 07 by a rogue trader. The electric shower missing pull cord existed before the new consumer unit but the building ocntrol electrician says that the problem with the electric shower has to be fixed before the consumer unit can be signed off.
We will probably get round this by installing the pull cord with the new shower anyway.
We will probably get round this by installing the pull cord with the new shower anyway.
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