Picture quiz

[ColJack]

those tiles look to be 100 x 100, so just off screen is about 300mm from the box.. easily within the allowed spacing for vertical conduit supports..

 

[mattysupra]

the red emergency pull cord is tied up in the air.

 

[VanSolo]

The socket is definitely the right way up

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• VanSolo
• 12 Aug 2009
• 1

Also the drain hole is not on the picture, sorry about that.
The story is that this room was (and still is as far as i'm concerned) a wet room with a fixed mixer shower that has been crudely converted into a hairdressing room. There is still a toilet, a part of which can be seen to the right of the picture and there is a plumbed sink behind where I took the photo from. I think the socket is a code 1 in this situation. Anyone disagree because the clint certainly does.

 

[sparkyspike]

Someone's left the Masterseal open.

What - the one that shouldn't be there in the first place?

Some people don't understand sarcasm...

 

[ColJack]

2 options for him then.. put in a proper hairdressing sink with pull out fawcet and ditch the shower, or take the socket out..

 

[flameport]

Code 2. It's not a code 1 - where is the immediate danger?

Of course the socket shouldn't be there, and it doesn't comply but it's not causing any immediate danger to anyone.

It will probably get wet, but that's no different to it being on an outside wall in the pouring rain.

Someone could plug an appliance in there and then spray water all over, but then that would be possible regardless of socket position, (extension lead to power the TV balanced on the end of the bath etc.)

 

[ColJack]

the difference is that doing that with an extension lead, you KNOW that something's not supposed to be in there because there is no socket in there..
if there's a socket there then you don't think twice about plugging something into it..

 

[timtheenchanter]

it's suitably IP rated anyway..

Surely not if its upside down?

But it isn't upside down...

Ah, quite right, it looked like the hinge was at the bottom first look.

 

[VanSolo]

Code 2. It's not a code 1 - where is the immediate danger?

Of course the socket shouldn't be there, and it doesn't comply but it's not causing any immediate danger to anyone.

It will probably get wet, but that's no different to it being on an outside wall in the pouring rain.

Someone could plug an appliance in there and then spray water all over, but then that would be possible regardless of socket position, (extension lead to power the TV balanced on the end of the bath etc.)

Socket outlet in a room containing a fixed bath or shower, regardless of it being a masterseal, Code 1 every time.

 

[SparkyNinja]

Code 2. It's not a code 1 - where is the immediate danger?

Of course the socket shouldn't be there, and it doesn't comply but it's not causing any immediate danger to anyone.

It will probably get wet, but that's no different to it being on an outside wall in the pouring rain.

Someone could plug an appliance in there and then spray water all over, but then that would be possible regardless of socket position, (extension lead to power the TV balanced on the end of the bath etc.)

Socket outlet in a room containing a fixed bath or shower, regardless of it being a masterseal, Code 1 every time.

Why?


Socket outlets are now permitted in bathrooms, if certain criteria are met.

 

[VanSolo]

Ok, I'll rephrase,
Code 1 if within three metres of the edge of zone 1 in a room with a fixed bath or shower.

 

[ColJack]

where does zone 1 finish in this instance? the shower is not a fixed outlet point, it's on a hose, and there is no shower tray to define it..

is it 600mm from the reach of the shower head? ( ie the arc that it would describe if you swept it at full reach from wall to wall )

 

[Spark123]

Where is the shower basin? Are persons likely to have a lower body resistance owing to being wet and unclothed?

 

[flameport]

'Fixed water outlet' is not defined.
In this case it would presumably mean the valve on the wall where the hose is attached.
Section 701 does not have anything on flexible shower hoses.

There is no shower basin, so there is no Zone 2 at all.
Zone 1 is 1.2m from the 'fixed water outlet' so the socket is outside the zones (looks to be about 2m from the shower valve)

 

[ban-all-sheds]

So a lot less than 3m from the boundary of Zone 1 then....