please help me CORGI

[tryitandsee]

There is no crime in trying to save money on most things if we can, that's human nature, but perhaps it would have been wise to have asked a decent plumber if he could 'fix only' a boiler before you started the work in the first place. You would have then realised the opposition you are now coming against.

If a plumber can still make money without getting involved with fix only, with the inevitable no mark up on materials, then you will struggle getting yours fixed to the wall.

 

[happyskyper]

namsag..

all those can be offset against the tax bill (youve heard of those I am sure.. I am also sure youve heard of adjusting the books too).. so in my book that is another perk..

the nurse just asks for the same fairy to pop in and clean up the mess after your sick child or your grandma..or to stich up my boys brow after a game of football.. oh no hang on thats extras... it wasnt in the estimate...

I thank Mr Sainsbury for he has a clear pricing policy and structure.. Hence I shop in LIDL..

 

[namsag]

Lidl explains it, they are also from the land of cuckoo clocks.

and no they cannot all be set against tax only a small proportion of it can you still have to make money so you can buy these things.
I have a slight inclination you will be cold for sometime. call it intuition

 

[picbits]

I've had a quote of £750+vat labour only for 3 days work taking an old non combi off the wall and fitting a new combi in its place. That includes a flush, removing the old thermal store and running a new pipe from the meter. Most of the pipework is already within a couple of meters of the existing boiler.

I would say that if you had a quote of £400 for doing your work then its around the right price.

 

[corgiman]

I've had a quote of £750+vat labour only for 3 days work taking an old non combi off the wall and fitting a new combi in its place. That includes a flush, removing the old thermal store and running a new pipe from the meter. Most of the pipework is already within a couple of meters of the existing boiler.

I would say that if you had a quote of £400 for doing your work then its around the right price.

Thats why I say that 4 hours to fit a boiler is way too short a time.

 

[corgiman]

Sorry if you thought I was being unhelpfull I didnt mean to be I was just giving you my opinion that your expectations were off beam.

Or is it that the only helpful opinion is an opinion that agrees with you?

 

[Estrella]

I have to be honest, as a client not a Corgi registered installer , £400 seems very reasonable.

 

[Rico99]

the fittings are pushfit and can be tested

Where on your system have you used pushfit,No wonder nobody wants to take on installing your boiler.

You also said that you have have hung the boiler yourself, you will get NOONE to commsion and issue your bench mark if you have done that bit yourself. They will want to take it all down and re-do it.

You & people with your kind of attitude get right on my T***S. You read all the guff in the national press about how all plumbers earn 100000.00 a year when its total carp.

What happens when something goes wrong with the system that you have installed yourself. Your first call would be the unfortunate engineer, who in an obvious moment of clouded judgement, took it on in the first place, demanding he comes out and sorts it GRATIS.

I would also be very suprised if the boiler mfg would honour the warranty once they found out you have done most of the install yourself.

Don't assume we are all swanning around in nice cars and have no mortgage.

Most of us are just trying to earn a decent liviing & to provide for our families and having to put up with rsoles like you just make us more determined not to deal with your and your ilk !!!!!! rant over

Rico

 

[Clive100]

AAAAAgggggghhhhhhh- pushfit!!!!!!
Plastic Pipes????
You have already hung the boiler!!!! - completely illegal - will it stay on the wall???? Have you also drilled the wall for the flue???????

Your partial installation work is quite illegal. There are installation requirements called British Standards - have you ever heard of them????? They cover every aspect of installation to ensure professional work and safe operation.

You bleat on and infer how apparently easy our work is to do - as if any fool can do it - and how we grossly overcharge. In your opinion 4 hours work???????? Your opinion is highly self-serving and uninformed - you lack the vital specialised training, knowledge and professional experience required.

You ask advice - a thorough site visit by an RGI will be required to inspect your work and assess precisely what work will be required to enable registration and certification of the installation.

Spend the money you have saved??????

 

[John506]

I agree with Rico99

Do you think plumbers are on £30 for 8 hours everyday, 5 days a week?

You have come to the forum for advice, but

A. You are just not listening to what people are telling you,
B. You have a really bad attitude.

 

[Agile]

40 hrs per week is the norm... at 30 quid per hour thats 1200 per week

50 weeks (2 week holidays) is equivalent to 60 000.. is this a wage to be sniffed at ????????????

Office workers work 40 hours but have an hour off for lunch giving only 35 hours at work/coffee breaks.

Why do you think that plumbers should only have two weeks holidays when the legal minimum for employment is three weeks and the average is 5 or 6 ?

Then there are the national average sick days of about 10 and then in a more hazardous occupation there are more minor injuries, cuts, pulled muscles and bad backs than office workers.

Then there are wasted days when customers are not at home, when things ordered do not arrive on time, when jobs over run due to unforseen problems like the customers daughter having to go into hospital with a drugs overdose etc.

Or the police have cordoned off the area because of a crime! One of my customers murdered his sweet little wife, another customer's neighbour killed his wife 20 min before I arrived but in that case the policemen let me through the cordon! Another customer lives beside the place the boy was stabbed at Hammersmith so I had to be interrogated on what I had seen there.

Days when the van is broken into and parts and tools stolen, broken down or accident damaged by some housewife who pulls out without looking on their school run in the 4 x 4.

Then there are the training days and the trade exhibitions and the trade association meetings.

I would suggest that 40 paid weeks would be more relevant !

 

[Corgigrouch]

Agile, I think that you need a better class of customer....Dead customers are very bad for business and it is a devil of a job to get a guy to sign a cheque when he is wearing hand cuffs...

Skyper.. Aside from the very good and valid points made by all of the other guys, allow me to bore you to death with the story of the one and only time that I was dumb enough to get involved with a DIY heating installation which I had quoted for to fit and commission the boiler and gas supply... the customer had run the pipework to the wrong place, he changed his design of the kitchen without consultation to a place where the flue would have been not suitable...Delay the job whilst he ordered the flue extension from B&Q.. then was the issue of filling the system, after he had assured me that the system was water tight (Quit how he knew, I'll never know).... Every joint and connection leaked... the guy had produced a fantastic sprinkler system... Bearing in mind that like you he was on a budget and at the end of it, had a pregnant wife, no heating and masses of work that needed doing, I ended up fixing all of the joints for free, put other jobs booked in off, inconveniencing other customers.... Despite the fact that they were broke, they had plenty of expensive stuff, like Play Stations, hifi, big flat screen TV.... Shame that they didn't give their heating a second thought.

Would I do another DIY type job?... Not on your nelly, I broke even on the job and I count myself lucky..... These types of job have to be priced assuming that you are a complete numpty otherwise, they just dont work

 

[Agile]

Agile, I think that you need a better class of customer....Dead customers are very bad for business and it is a devil of a job to get a guy to sign a cheque when he is wearing hand cuffs...

I do have a very serious problem ( £2100 ) with a landlady who died followed by her daughter a week later!

I had a £1300 deposit left with the agent but then discovered that the agent had returned it to her for some reason the day before she died!

Whilst that agent gives me a few jobs, I do held him seriously responsible but I would like some well informed legal opinion on what is a very unusual situation !

In my view he was holding the deposit in trust for me and had no right to return it to her.

Tony

 

[powell30]

It would be day rate.......a FULL day at least (job unseen). Remember, even tho i may finish in 6 hrs i doubt i can do another job that day.....hence day rate.......350 plus VAT. Remember YOU need the qualifications we have trained and paid for......a new system would have cost you 2k plus easy......so be grateful for the savingsa you have already made and accept what your told. If you have had 3 quotes then i reckon they know more than you........you're only willing to pay what you think the jobs worth......who knows what else needs to be done.....gas line installed/uprated, fuse spure to be installed/fitted, condensate to be fitted and run to drain point to regs......not just 'connect pipes and flue is it??

 

[happyskyper]

powell.. thats fair and thats all I wanted from a professional..

the rest of you are just making silly arguments and name calling..

I dont need or want people to agree with me but if you are fair.. then you could admit that 850 is wide off the mark..

as far as illegal stuff and the pushfit fittings etc etc..goes...

The whole system is new... the pipes end in isolated flexi pipes which need to be connected to the boiler... the boiler has just been hung/positioned on the wall (not connected)... digi stat and flue are supplied..nothing has been done there.. the position has been checked with my BCO...
pushfit system is certified... so whats the problem in using it for CH and hot/cold water??? gas pipes still have to be run from the meter to the boiler..

now help me please...exactly whats illegal about this??