Poor pressure on a megaflo??

[Softus]

With respect you are just clouding the issue, you clearly don't understand what is being discussed

Really? Are you sure? Did it not occur to you that was I testing simond's understanding?

If you prefer to believe that it was me who didn't understand, would it not be better to answer my abundantly clear questions, rather than tell me that I don't understand?

 

[doitall]

Just what is this bloke talking about?

Still with us then simond

Shouldn't you be out ripping off an old lady.

 

[oilman]

.......
I've taken some printouts on behalf of GAH.

Oh what a good boy. Make sure they know what we look like too

Meanwhile, won two more accumulator installs today. May be I'm a good salesman after all.

Possibly, but then perhaps snake oil salesmen are good too.

Keep arguing chaps, you are the self appointed experts on this small part of the web.

Most people here just try to help others, YOU are the self appointed expert who offers no help except by way of saying "get in touch with my specialist firm, and we will help you get rid of your money by solving your small problem in a very expensive way. PS I've got my snout in the trough with manufacturers, but I'm quite happy to stick it up your bottom if you pay me."

 

[Softus]

Meanwhile, won two more accumulator installs today. May be I'm a good salesman after all.

I think there's a strong clue in the vernacular here - installations are, apparently, competitions that can be won!

If HWCH is the winner, then I wonder who the loser is?

 

[simond]

It seems that some of you are jealous of success.

You berate the gentleman who patented the design, suggesting it was already obvious. Most of those making that particular claim betrayed that point by arguing earlier in the thread that an accumulator could not deliver the solution mentioned in the OP.

You have it in for the company that bought the licence to manufacture the product. They did not register the patent but had to pay to use it. Nevertheless, that simple and key fact has been manipulated by others here, either by ignorance or just to try to score a point off GAH.

My company has been accused of having our nose in the trough and in customers bottoms - whatever that means.


This doesn't make any sense to me. I have shared some of our experience with this forum, told you where to buy the products. I have provided actual flow rates from a real installation. When someone wanted to see the patent, I directed them to the website where it was lodged.

All of these things enable you, not restrict you. But you still want to argue about matters which are none of your business, or mine. I refer to the validity of the patent. I do not sell accumulators to the trade, if you want to buy them, go forth and do so.

There are situations where they would be the best option for customers, but if you want to stick your head in the sand, it is your customers who are the losers.

I don't recall hearing any heated discussions from engineers in Plumbcenter arguing over whether Saunier Duvals' patents are sound. How many of you question the patented Baxi Megaflo floating baffle? Do any of you know what that does? (we all know what it is meant to do).

And then there is Doitall. He still doesn't understand the basic principles of a simple hydraulic product, but that doesn't stop him from shooting himself in the foot and then reloading. In public.

Finally, there is no shame in success. Whether you are a plumber or a patent lawyer. Some of our learned respondents in this thread are both.

 

[Softus]

He's still going.

 

[doitall]

OP has 18litres a minute. you can improve that by dipping your hand in his pocket to the tune of £3k and come up with 12litres a minute you nicked halve his bedroom, had the builders in to strengthen the floor, and rebuild the walls, anything else I missed.

Total cost to date £15k looks a nice round figure

You have it in for the company that bought the licence to manufacture the product.

Hang on, didn't you say they invented it and your mans gonna make bucket loads of money.

 

[toasty]

Really? Are you sure? Did it not occur to you that was I testing simond's understanding?

Softus, it's funny, but it has just occured to me that you are an idiot.
There is no shame in not understanding how something works, but to claim that you were testing someone's understanding is just laugable, and frankly the actions of a 12 year old.

Go away, read up on it and then you can contribute to what I think has been a very interesting debate, but please don't just sit there poking at Simon when you don't have anything relevant to say.[/i]

 

[oilman]

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I've taken some printouts on behalf of GAH.

................

Are you now hinting that you did not, in fact, take prints "on behalf of GAH", but that you have taken them without their kowledge to send to GAH? This seems particularly silly in either case, as just sending the link would have been ok?

 

[croydoncorgi]

Simond
If you want to know why this patent is pants, think Citroen cars from the 70s and 80s.

Single hydraulic pump driven off engine (aka 'mains water supply' in the present context), hydraulic accumulator (constructed to same principles as the GAH receiver except filled with presurised nitrogen) to operate brakes, steering and suspension long enough to get to the hard shoulder. It's the SAME THING! Patents are required to be NOVEL - that's the whole point of them.

 

[ChrisR]

You can APPLY for a patent on anything you like - I'm still unsure if anything has been granted.
If what has been cited HAS been granted, then Simon's p*ss take of plumbers' attituded to it is misplaced. The lawyers can wave it about all they like - the plumbers are just driving their coach and horses through it, and round it, in the few cases where the method is desirable. As others have noted, it's jawdroppingly badly written.

What surprises me is how some plumbers on this site still seem to be so confused about what an accumulator does.
One, I suspect, is bored and on a wind-up mission. Him apart,
with so much dross and avoidance of info coming from the keyboard of the self-proclaimed spiv expert, perhaps it shouldn't be so surprising.

 

[simond]

Chris R

Precisely what info are you waiting for? You have the patent, the manufacturer, and an actual set of results from an installation.

What is going on here is a hatchet job on a good product. I don't understand why, but I suspect it is because the 'regulars' started off on the wrong foot and are desparate to save face.

I would advise anyone with 3 hours to spend to read the post from the beginning. It's quite amusing, in a sad way. Bit like Big Brother.

I will add Spiv to the now extensive list of insults I've been awarded by the barrack room plumbing dept. Shame about the moderator, you could really let rip.

And Doitall still doesn't understand. Why doesn't somebody ask him where he gets his figures from? Or are you his Dad?

 

[moderator]

Shame about the moderator

you can insult each other for as long as you like, there is no rule against it.

abuse, yes, insults no

 

[doitall]

Shame about the moderator

you can insult each other for as long as you like, there is no rule against it.

abuse, yes, insults no

Should that be the other way round Mod

 

[oilman]

I think the mod is saying there is a rule against abuse, but not against insults, so the "yes" and "no" refers to the existence of a rule, not referring to the insults or abuse.

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Lynda, moderator

That is how I meant it, 10 points to oilman