Qualified Plumbers; Advice please.

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Looking on doing this course later this year..

.ppltraining.plumbing_training/4_week_professional.asp

Can ya just have a quick look and then answer these questions please.

After this course is completed what else do i need to become a Level 2 Qualified plumber? (Is it just C&G 6089)

How long roughly will the C&G 6089 take? and am i right in thinking i have to be employed within the industry to gain the 6089?

If so, do you think i will find it easier to gain working having the other certificated and be only needing the C&G 6089?

Any other information you think i should know?

I realise this isn't the ideal way to become a plumber, but I'm 23 and work in an increasingly unstable motor industry, and I'm looking for a way out before I'm forced out!

Cheers
 
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What's that C&G course - is it one of the NVQ's? I doubt if the C&G recognise the short corses which are around, which isn't to say they're no good.

You can have done lots of courses or none, and be brilliant or useless after either.

What makes you think the grass is greener?!
 
No disrespect to you OP, but yet another rip off training program that lets the unsuspecting think they will be qualified plumbers after 4 - 8 weeks.

All they will do is teach you how to pass the exam, rather than how to work and survive in the real world.

Only proper training and experience will give you that.
 
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My friend is doing a city & guilds level 2 course at college 3 evenings per week. it lasts up to 2 years (term time like september-july). he is 26. he loves it and after this course you can get upgraded to nvq level 2 if you want to but onlhy by working for a plumbing company. then an nvq assesor comes out and assesses 3-5 things which include installation of a supply and waste pipes (ie a bathroom). the reason why the nvq is not handed out at college now is because a lot of people apparently were cheating and not learning properley and when they did what they learned at college (or infact didn't learn properley obviously)! in the real workplace, they couldn't do a competent job. this is why the make the nvq extra now (although it is not compulsory). i know he wants to do level 3 at college after level 2 (if he is successful)! level 3 is more complex, unvented hot water systems, gas and boilers. but level 3 is apparently only 1 firther year. i wish i had started now but places are very limited so book up early i guess mate!! I was thinking along the same lines as you to b fair-really interested in plumbing but short courses can't be right-how can you learn a trade in 6-10 weeks!!!
 
well you can't be experienced or know nearly everything in 2 years or 3 years with level 3 as well, but you can learn a lot, all the basics plus more. how all the systems work, how to join up cisterns, cylinders, pumps, fit bathrooms, etc. 2 years is a long time!!! but i guess if you really want to do plumbing and enjoy it enough, after 2 years you will have learned a lot!
 
well you can't be experienced or know nearly everything in 2 years or 3 years with level 3 as well, but you can learn a lot, all the basics plus more. how all the systems work, how to join up cisterns, cylinders, pumps, fit bathrooms, etc. 2 years is a long time!!! but i guess if you really want to do plumbing and enjoy it enough, after 2 years you will have learned a lot!

I Agree

I am in the 25th year and I am still learning stuff cos the barstewards keep changing stuff!!!!


IMHO keep away from "C&G in ten minutes" merchants

Waste of cash
 
You hit the nail on the head guys,
my next door neighbour did a crash course in 8 weeks and paid something like £4000 for it, ok he got his certificate from C&G but over a year now he just cannot get work with anyone as he had no hands on experience and companys and solo plumbers do not want to risk employing anybody out of a crash course as they see it as a risk. My neighbour is very determined to look for a job but a year on no luck,
Consider it very carefully...
 
I would bare in mind that literally hundreds of guys that were made redundant from rover retrained at no cost to themselves as plumbers.

that's not to say that they are any good
 
Thanks for the replies.

I understand the general opinion in here but the fact is i cant afford to leave my well paid job to go through 2-3 years of training. I, like most of you im sure, have a mortgage and bills to pay.

Evening courses are also out as i work shifts.

I don't expect to learn a trade in 8 weeks. I'm not naive i know its going to take much much longer but surely this would give me a huge leap onto the ladder in the fact i would become more employable?!?
 
i would say avoid the fast track course like the plague. I honestly think it's a total waste of money.

You'd be as well befriending a plumber and taking him to the pub two nights a week. For a year.

Oh and mine's a guinness by the way :)
 
We wouldn't employ a mature person who had been on one of those £4K courses for more than £10K pa.

This is because they could only fill the role of apprentice at best. It is possible that a bright, practically clever individual could start to be useful after a 6 months - 1 year. That would enable us to pay a proper wage.

Unfortunately, plumbing contractors are only going to pay you what you are worth to them, and with a crammer course under your belt you are worth almost nil.

The alternative route is to go out on your own after taking the course. This could be a very painful experience indeed, as most jobs you will pick up as the unknown in the area are all the ones we have avoided. You will get the customers with iffy systems and the ones that have called the local plumbers 'rip off merchants'. In other words, all the dodgy people.

Best route by far is the one proposed earlier. Work alongside a skilled man for peanuts for a year, and then take all his customers. The former is the reason why you won't want to do it, the latter is the reason he won't want you.

Finally, don't believe what you read in the press and in the training centre blurb about a plumber shortage. You won't have customers fighting to use you, there are an awful lot of plumbing and heating contractors out there; many as desperate for work as you.
 
Thanks for the replies.

I understand the general opinion in here but the fact is i cant afford to leave my well paid job to go through 2-3 years of training. I, like most of you im sure, have a mortgage and bills to pay.

Evening courses are also out as i work shifts.

I don't expect to learn a trade in 8 weeks. I'm not naive i know its going to take much much longer but surely this would give me a huge leap onto the ladder in the fact i would become more employable?!?

If you want to become qualified and get work bad enough then you will do it but something along the line will need to be sacrificed, as in personal time or whatever.

Back in the nineties I decided I wanted to specialise more rather than doing basic plumbing / building work so I enrolled on evening course for nvq 2 and it took me 2 years and then another year of 1 day a week because I decided to do the nvq 3 as well.

After 2 years I had my plumbing certs and gas ccn1 in the bag and signed up to do the appliances on gas as well which I completed in just over the 3 years.

I did have a friend who did self employed work and I would go and give him a hand at weekends for a bit of cash helping with boiler installs and that sort of thing, learning my way around a u gauge, and it all helped with the college course.

I had allsorts of clever people telling me I was wasting my time and I would never get employed because of no on site experience, anyway, within a week of completing my appliances on the acs scheme I landed myself a job with a gas maintenance company doing mainly servicing and some installs. The boss agreed to start me on a six week trial on a very much reduced rate (at my request) and to put me with one of the other guys for a while to watch, help and learn. Within 2 weeks I was going servicing on my own and within 3 weeks he took me to one side and said he was putting me up to the top rate as he was pleased with the work I was doing and the attitude I had to my work.

I was determined that if I was going to put in all the time and effort learning and doing exams then I was definitley going to get a job, so now I work for myself, am corgi and oftec registered and would always rather be my own boss than it be the other way around. I know it is harder now with the way the college course do it and you have to have so much on site experience etc. but I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you want it bad enough you will do it, you gotta be confident, work hard, work safely-even it it means you are slow at first, which you will be, have support of your family and don't give up. I always think going out on your own is good, its a steep learning curve but you've got to be confident, you've got to be prepared to lose out financially sometimes if you make a mistake but there's nothing to make you learn faster than seeing money disappear which should have been in your pocket.

All that being said, the industry has and is changing a lot and and its not the get rich quick trade some people seem to think it is and I often wonder about changing to something else but then think that things could be worse, so make sure it's what you want before jumping in, and if you do, good luck.. :D :D
 
Thanks for the replies.

My idea was to initially complete the course and then try to get some work, even it was working for free.

Working shifts i will be able to work

Week 1 (between 8am-1:30pm)
Week 2 (3pm - finish)

And any weekend work thats necessary.

I planned on doing this for 12-24 months coupled with my current job.

Do you think this would then give me the working experience i need to gain suitable paid employment?
 

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