Racists use any excuse to spout their racism

[AngleEyes]

Book us a table then, I'll see you there and we'll have lunch. You must know a good local restaurant.

If I were to assist you in arriving in a foreign country, without proper documentation, it might be construed as people trafficking.

But you're going way off-topic, a favourite dislike of yours.

 

[Mottie]

If you say so, Dazzler/Pimpernel.

 

[AngleEyes]

But you're going way off-topic, a favourite dislike of yours.

If you say so, Dazzler/Pimpernel.

I'm sure I could post the multiple times you've complained about threads going off-topic.
But I don't need to because it's common knowledge, not just my say so.

 

[Odds]

This:
'What I said was racist - but I'm not a racist. I am an idiot' | Michael Eboda | The Guardian
And this:
John Barnes on racism and society: ‘There are invisible banana skins’ | Football | The Guardian

For the record, i don't think the Rooney Rule in football makes any difference. Paul Ince is still a rubbish manager, regardless of his ethnicity, and appointing him because he is black is not helpful.
There was a similar prejudice in American Football, saying black men couldn't become a top quarter-back, until Doug Williams won the Superbowl for the Washington Redskins in 1988.
Changing attitudes takes time, persistence and persuasion.
My advice is to shine like the sun, rather than blowhard like the north wind.

 

[Notch7]

It's always puzzled me, however, that many of them spend thousands of dollars on dodgy agents to get them through countries undetected, for boats to cross the channel when a real migrant would surely access official channels legally in order to obtain work.
Obviously, i'm being naive

there are no official channels -people who have fled from countries where they've been persecuted can not get visas to the UK.
and the UK does not allow asylum applications if you arent on British soil

these people are desperate -the fact they are prepared to travel thousands of miles at risk and cross a sea channel proves it....nobody does all that because of economic gain (its an old trope)

 

[Notch7]

Should we campaign for Angel eyes to have is own forum section "racism"

that way he can moan away, content, on his own

 

[AngleEyes]

This:
'What I said was racist - but I'm not a racist. I am an idiot' | Michael Eboda | The Guardian
And this:
John Barnes on racism and society: ‘There are invisible banana skins’ | Football | The Guardian

For the record, i don't think the Rooney Rule in football makes any difference. Paul Ince is still a rubbish manager, regardless of his ethnicity, and appointing him because he is black is not helpful.
There was a similar prejudice in American Football, saying black men couldn't become a top quarter-back, until Doug Williams won the Superbowl for the Washington Redskins in 1988.
Changing attitudes takes time, persistence and persuasion.
My advice is to shine like the sun, rather than blowhard like the north wind.

Clearly Ron Atkinson acknowledges that what he said was racist:

He concedes: 'What I said is racist, I understand that, but I'm not a racist.
from your link.​

What he's trying to say is that he's not overtly and intentionally racist. But that was over 17 years ago. We now understand the microaggressions in racism, the unintentional automatic responses to situations that comes from our own unconscious bias.
Ron Atkinson's outburst illustrates such unconscious bias exactly, and how it's so easy to resort to such abusive comments without thinking.
But it's still racism.

 

[AngleEyes]

Should we campaign for Angel eyes to have is own forum section "racism"

that way he can moan away, content, on his own

I only post on this subject to counter the perpetual racist comments.
I rarely start a thread on this subject, unless I have been banned from the thread in which the racist comment is made, and I have no other option.

 

[Mottie]

 

[Odds]

Clearly Ron Atkinson acknowledges that what he said was racist:

He concedes: 'What I said is racist, I understand that, but I'm not a racist.
from your link.​

What he's trying to say is that he's not overtly and intentionally racist. But that was over 17 years ago. We now understand the microaggressions in racism, the unintentional automatic responses to situations that comes from our own unconscious bias.
Ron Atkinson's outburst illustrates such unconscious bias exactly, and how it's so easy to resort to such abusive comments without thinking.
But it's still racism.

He was born and raised in very different times and, you're right, these unconscious bias' do bubble up to the surface but if you peel away the layers of influence a person is subjected to over a long period of time you will find all kinds of prejudice.
But prejudice is not necessarily racism and shouldn't become conflated with the far right Fascist worldview. I'm not about to defend their views because they're as Caucasian as i am. But even though i disagree with their views i will defend their right to an opinion.
A while back, in a chat room, i made a lame crack about a scotsman being 'careful with his cash' and was accused of racism. I was so shocked i couldn't think of any reply that didn't sound defensive and proving their point.
You are correct to call out racist behaviour but should be careful in subjecting every comment that doesn't coincide with your worldview to the same scrutiny.

 

[The Samaritan]

Not referring to anyone here as I don't really know you lot.

To be a racist you have to be weak, blinkered, uneducated, small-minded and fearful of others as you see them doing better than you.
Every overt racist I've come across IRL has been like that.

I've challenged racists IRL that spout uneducated tripe about and " a stupid doctor, he was a brown man the bag said (one of my clients) and he did not know what STYLE was" The bag had been trying to negotiate the steps/gate and the

biddy fell and broke her leg. Through chat and the docs name it transpired, the doc was an Indian" (THIS WAS ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO THE BIDDY WAS AGED ABOUT 60 BUT SET IN HER RACIST WAYS I GUESS)

I asked her if the doc had diagnosed her properly and looked after her well and did a good job - the biddy agreed he did. I then told her and I quote,
"So I asked her what an 'Architrave' was" and she did not know. So I told her carefully - "does that make you stupid and could you do what the doc did"?? Her face went red and her husband to his credit laughed. Then I told that not everyone knows everything and not knowing something because you may not have been born in that country or educated in it does NOT make you "stupid" -

Another biddy I met a client was referring to housing officer as "chocolate drop" - I asked her to describe the officer she repated the word and said "she is one of those ****'s" - This was about 20 years ago. I told her this was unacceptable langage and if she used that term of reference again in my precence I'd withdraw my service and report her to hoousing. She was so apologetic but IMOmust have slagged me off after I left.

Many backwards people I've met say "i did not mean it like that - said in jest" - What people must note is the more nasty stuff is chatted about the and left unchallenged the more acceptable it becomes to some

Therefore IRL when safe to do so I challenge direct and other times I report,

We can all make a mistake but we must lean from it and challenge hurtful, unlawful behaviour otherwise left unchecked it just gets worse.

Thank you.

 

[festive]

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This THIS THIS THIS AGAIN. SO spot on.

Its so easy to brand anyone a racist when they have their own opposing opinion, like calling someone a sexist or potential rapist again without any real substance. Its the modern day leprechaun tag for people who wish to denigrate others. 'Look everyone they're a racist' Weak people reach for the easiest route to win the argument.

Angled eyes last conflict with me left him/her resorting to grammar correction as a deflection. Loser.

 

[JohnD]

Its so easy to brand anyone a racist when they have their own opposing opinion

no need. It's easy enough to criticise racists when they display their prejudices.

 

[festive]

no need. It's easy enough to criticise racists when they display their prejudices.

No John you're missing the point. Calling someone a racist just because they don't agree with people ignoring immigration rules and jumping the queue is exactly my point. There's a multitude of justifiable reasons behind those comments, tagging it as racism is just an easy way to attempt to stifle opinion diametrically opposite to yours.

Making a stereotypical comment about a white or a person of any other appearance can be racist yes.

What about unconscious bias and micro aggressions yes they come in all forms against ALL people of all appearances it's not purely owned by any group or colour.

For example i may call someone bro bruv or brother irrespective of their skin colour. Now if sat in a room with two non white people and they're calling eachother brother i could claim this is unconscious bias. But you know what

A) Don't - soil my pants over it.
B) Don't - reach for the 'R' card wipe off the excrement and wave it like an over zealous referee.
C) I let it go with the understanding they have a mutual respect and had they knew me better or as a friend i know would include me in that inclusive term.

 

[JohnD]

No John you're missing the point.

no, I'm not missing the point.

Calling someone a racist because they are a racist is entirely correct.