Reform immigration plan

[ReganAndCarter]

quite a few people are taken in by Farages lies.

How many Porkies did Starmergeddon tell to get elected???

 

[motorbiking]

So, returning to my hypothetical example which got hijacked yesterday.

There is very little inherent legal protection for our rights in this country other than the safeguards of our constitution. If we opt out of the ECHR etc. then Parliament can do whatever it wants within the framework of our constitution and existing law. There is no overarching domestic protection other than our constitutional rights and all the laws they'd need to amend and treaties they'd need to serve notice on.

So, to take an extreme example to highlight the principle. If a government wanted to bring in a law making torture legal and had this as a manifesto pledge, there is nothing to stop them other than UNCAT and jus cogens and the Sovereign's right to dismiss a prime minister. First they would need to pass the law through the House of Commons. If they didn't have enough votes in the House of Lords, they could use the Parliament Act. Noting that only seven Bills have become Acts under this procedure. That would mean the government would have to wait for 12 months before the law became legal. Providing they are not dismissed.

Once it was passed, there would be no way for the law to be challenged in the courts. Other than the courts ability to interpret it via legal precedent forcing constant amendments

You see how it reads rather differently, when you look at it in more depth.

You also have to consider the alternative:
No government of the day should restrict the power of a future democratically elected government. They tell us what they will do and we vote for them.
The HRA ignored this.

 

[Notch7]

How many Porkies did Starmergeddon tell to get elected???

what lies?

name some

Farage is a right wing populist, his MO is lies

 

[ReganAndCarter]

"On the subject of skilled migration, I mean, look, if people come into Britain, and they've got skills and they integrate and they contribute, then no one's got a problem with that, provided the numbers are at a sensible level."

I don't think there's a sane person in the country that would argue with those sentiments. Except our treacherous politicians who have a completely different agenda.

 

[Notch7]

How do wealthy people impact you? other than pay taxes to provide services that you like to benefit from.

MotorGrifting likes to claim wealth inequality doesnt exist
MotorGrifting supports Reform because they will make wealth inequality worse............worse mostly for the people who vote for them

wealth inequality does exist and its been getting steadily worse

 

[pete01]

Farmers?

 

[MNW67]

You appear desperate to try to stop me explaining a basic constitutional law principle. You seem to have brought your whole bag of tricks this time.

other than the safeguards of our constitution.

Which ones?

within the framework of our constitution and existing law.

Waffle.

other than our constitutional rights and all the laws they'd need to amend and treaties they'd need to serve notice on.

Waffle

and had this as a manifesto pledge

Deflection. A government can pass laws which are not in its manifesto.

other than UNCAT and jus cogens and the Sovereign's right to dismiss a prime minister

Conflation. Reform are going to leave UNCAT. The rest is irrelevant.

Noting that only seven Bills have become Acts under this procedure

Irrelevant

Providing they are not dismissed.

How?

Other than the courts ability to interpret it via legal president forcing constant amendments

Utter gibberish and boll@x.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

what lies?

name some

Farage is a right wing populist, his MO is lies

Before being elected Starmer said he would -

- "freeze council tax this year - no ifs, no buts"

- "a labour government would mean no national insurance rises for working people"

- "a labour government will freeze your oil and gas (fuel) bills"

- "Labour will stabilise the economy"

- "we inherited a 22 billion black hole" (pants on fire!!)

- "As we go forward, we want to make sure that more pensioners are elligible for Winter Fuel Payment"

- "I'm absolutely committed to supporting our farmers"


Enough for you, Notchy. All from Starmer's own mouth BEFORE the election (I can show you the evidence if you want). And you say Farage is a liar!!

 

[ReganAndCarter]

On the ever-growing myth of the government begging foreigners to come and rebuild the country after WW2...

Same with all this multicultural black right diversity bs. Just a load of social engineering, history re-writing and propaganda instigated by our treacherous, lying politicians and useful idiots. Always hooks the unquestioning, dumb liberals who parrot this stuff as if it was gospel.

 

[pete01]

 

[ReganAndCarter]

and Labour are working on it

Tell them to hurry. They've got less than 4 years. Maybe less, a lot less.

 

[Notch7]

Before being elected Starmer said he would -

- "freeze council tax this year - no ifs, no buts"

- "a labour government would mean no national insurance rises for working people"

- "a labour government will freeze your oil and gas (fuel) bills"

- "Labour will stabilise the economy"

- "we inherited a 22 billion black hole" (pants on fire!!)

- "As we go forward, we want to make sure that more pensioners are elligible for Winter Fuel Payment"

- "I'm absolutely committed to supporting our farmers"


Enough for you, Notchy. All from Starmer's own mouth BEFORE the election (I can show you the evidence if you want). And you say Farage is a liar!!

oh dear you are the liar

1) example: "freeze council tax this year - no ifs, no buts" -they said "if we were in govt now, which was 2023
R&C is a liar

2) "no national insurance rises for working people" -go on then lets see you show me a wage slip that shows a NI rise
R&C is a liar

3) a Labour govt will freeze your oil and gas bills" -that was in Aug 2022 when there was an energy cost of living crisis
R&C is a liar

4) "labour will stabilise the economy" -that is true, 5 consecutive interest rate drops, 3 consecutive months of growth
R&C is a liar

5)"we inherited a £22 black hole -thats entirely true
R&C is liar

6) "As we go forward, we want to make sure that more pensioners are elligible for Winter Fuel Payment" - well they have, its mean tested now at £35k

R&C is a liar

7)"Im absolutely committed to supporting our farmers" -thats true, the IHT loophole removes wealthy investors buying up farm land, also Starmer is working with EU to cut trade barriers by making an agri food deal

I agree labour have gto the details wrong on the IHT detail, but the principle is absolutely correct





back to the drawing board for R&C with his tail between his legs

off he trots, with his angry red gammon face

 

[foxhole]

He was very clear .

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[Notch7]

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wages have gone up though

"regular pay (excluding bonuses) growing by 5.0% in the year to August 2025"

 

[Odds]

Waffle.

Waffle

Deflection.

Conflation.

Irrelevant

How?

Utter gibberish and boll@x.

A concise summary of a biking argument.