Scrapping Human Rights

[Highway Man]

So you agree with Starmer and the EU looking at them to update ?

Rather than removing them

Yes of course

 

[Lower]

The only 2 European countries not in ECHR: Russia and Belarus

I worry about leaving an international human rights court.............British citizens need protection from UK government



"The way a Government treats refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it," (Tony Benn)


if you think that over dramatic have a look at America -that is a country on the edge of dangerous authoritarianism. They have unbadged ICE agents going around picking off anybody who looks foreign.

I understand people's concerns over leaving the ECHR, but plenty of other countries around the world aren't in the ECHR and we don't view them as pariah or at risk of their governments. Australia and Japan as examples.

America has a very different political culture to ours and i don't think you should use them as an example of where we would end up if we did leave the ECHR.

I don't agree with the Tony Benn statement. We treat illegal immigrants better than we treat our own homeless.

 

[Lower]

I don't disagree with too much of that.

But I don't think leaving the echr is the right move. Update it, tighten it. Enforce OUR immigration rules, but don't throw away hard earned rights.


But the biggest part is to join forces to stop the mass movement in the 1st place. Attack it uniformally

I would like to agree with you about the ECHR. It would be better to change it from within, but i just don't see that happening any time soon.

l do agree that we need to stop mass movement, but again i don't see that happening any time soon. Unfortunately, human nature seems to lead to conflict. I'd like to think that the more developed nations have more restraint, but then i look at Russia and China.

 

[Highway Man]

So you agree with Starmer and the EU looking at them to update ?

Rather than removing them

It is. the fact that he knows if he doesn't do something fast he is out of No10 next year, a new leader will be sought and when Nigel gets into power he would do that straight away. So Farage is already running the country and Starmer is his puppet at the moment

 

[Notch7]

but plenty of other countries around the world aren't in the ECHR

yes but no other countries in the world are currently risking a far right populist leader who is morally bankrupt and a pathological liar.

If you dont think bad things can happen have a look at what happened to some of the Windrush generation

America has a very different political culture to ours and i don't think you should use them as an example of where we would end up if we did leave the ECHR.

UK is heading towards USA level of wealth inequality

Nigel Farages hero is Donald Trump

Farage has lots of close connections to MAGAs

Steve Bannon was used by Boris Johnson in his 2019 election campaign as a strategist
Matthew Elliott was Boris Johnsons spad, Elliott is deeply involve with USA Koch foundation


we are seeing an ever growing increase of USA influence in British media and politics, have a look a Institute of Economic Affairs, it has US interests which it then uses to lobby British govt, the IEA is an insidious disinformation libertarian group which gets itself all over our mainstream and social media (it was the force behind Truss)

And then have a look at the Christian fundamentalist money coming over pushing their pro life nonsense



I think you need to be far more wary of USA influence in UK, esp if Farage wins power

 

[Notch7]

the fact that he knows if he doesn't do something fast he is out of No10 next year

No

Labour have a big majority and he is not going anywhere

when Nigel gets into power

it will be a weak coalition with virtually no majority at best

So Farage is already running the country

those pot noodles are getting in yer brain

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It is. the fact that he knows if he doesn't do something fast he is out of No10 next year, a new leader will be sought and when Nigel gets into power he would do that straight away. So Farage is already running the country and Starmer is his puppet at the moment

No.

Starmer is attacking the issue differently to what Nigel is proposing

 

[Highway Man]

No.

Starmer is attacking the issue differently to what Nigel is proposing

Nope, Starmer is doing everything that Nigel says he will do but Starmer is failing miserably in trying.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Nope, Starmer is doing everything that Nigel says he will do but Starmer is failing miserably in trying.

If that's how you see it

But I see it different

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I would like to agree with you about the ECHR.

No problem with disagreeing

It would be better to change it from within, but i just don't see that happening any time soon.

Looks like it's about to be discussed. It's not just us that want and need it changed

l do agree that we need to stop mass movement,

Until it's addressed the problem will still be there

but again i don't see that happening any time soon. Unfortunately, human nature seems to lead to conflict. I'd like to think that the more developed nations have more restraint, but then i look at Russia and China.

Much better to have the higher standards and morals, and rights

 

[Highway Man]

If that's how you see it

But I see it different

I think the whole country is seeing it my way, even the labour paty themselves

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I think the whole country is seeing it my way, even the labour paty themselves

You not see the difference between changing the rules of the ehcr and coming out of it?

Big difference to me

 

[blup]

I think people are also coming to the conclusion that the mass influx of immigrant, legal or otherwise, s is changing the fundamental make up of the country in a direction that they don't want it to go.

Reform and the Conservatives have realised this and are using it to their benefit, and i also think its has a lot to do with why labour is so unpopular in the UK at the moment. Lots of Labour supporters are starting to lean towards Reform.

But this isn't just limited to the UK. People in the US and Europe are also starting to realise how mass migration is changing their countries in ways that they don't like.

Its an influx but not a mass influx in the context of millions of east european migrants who were allowed to stay after brexhit. There are 8 million people of Irish descent here - shall we send them all back?

 

[Highway Man]

You not see the difference between changing the rules of the ehcr and coming out of it?

Big difference to me

A long while ago I said on here that the ehcr should be re written as it is not up to date with our times, it was written in the 50s. So not needed nowadys

 

[morqthana]

I would vote to leave the ECHR and that doesn't mean i'm a racist that doesn't think immigrants should have rights. It means i don't think that they should have all the rights they currently have.

Should British nationals have all the rights they currently have?