Second vote?

[Notch7]

You misunderstand what no-deal is, and how it is achieved. You don't have to vote for it. In the same way that you don't have to go to a shop and bargain with a shopkeeper in order not to buy anything. Not having a deal is what happens if you don't agree a deal.

"There is an infallible way to identify politicians and commentators who have not read Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty. What gives their game away is the complacent and mistaken assertion that a no-deal Brexit is impossible on the grounds there is no majority for it in the House of Commons. The reality is that a campaign to undo the 2016 referendum is virtually impossible without the explicit support of the government."

I do understand it.
Yes what you say is true, in theory.

In practice there is almost no support for a 'no deal' scenario within parliament. I would suggest in the event of no withdrawal agreement being signed then we will be asking for article 50 to be extended.

It is being used as a fear tactic to muster support for the current deal

 

[JohnD]

In practice there is almost no support for a 'no deal' scenario within parliament.

It doesn't need support.

No-deal would be calamitous for the UK, and we are not prepared for it.

But the Brextremists still hope for it, and may get their way if neither of the alternatives is taken. Luckily Rice-Pudd and his pizza club can't count. But perhaps they hope to keep confusion and idiocy running for long enough to prevent anything being decided.

 

[JohnD]

we will be asking

27 countries to unanimously agree to bailout a country that doesn't know what to do and shows no sign of ever deciding.

UK is already a laughing stock in the world and has shown itself incompetent and demented.

 

[Notch7]

It doesn't need support.

I know it doesnt need support, you are just being deliberately obtsuse

The majority of MPs in parliament understand it is important for continuity of trade with Europe and therefore wont allow that to end.

Do you think there is much support in parliament for continuing trade with Europe? That is the same as saying there is little support for no deal.

 

[Notch7]

27 countries to unanimously agree to bailout a country that doesn't know what to do and shows no sign of ever deciding.

Bailout: ha ha what a stupid interpretation.

No deal would mean no money to the EU, extending or cancelling article 50 would mean they would get money: Oh let me think hard which they would choose

It has been well documented that the EU would accept article 50 to be extended or cancelled.

 

[JohnD]

There's no other offer.

"Extensions of the EU’s Article 50 process — the mechanism for countries to leave the bloc, which the UK triggered in 2017 — are possible, if the remaining 27 member states agree.

At the moment the UK is due to leave the bloc on March 29 2019. But their view is likely to depend on what exactly Britain is asking for: while the UK might be able to win time to hold elections or even a second referendum, governments would look much less favourably on a request by the British for more time to try to thrash out a better deal."

https://www.ft.com/content/a2bfa7c8-f0c0-11e8-ae55-df4bf40f9d0d

Which is it to be?

Theresa's deal? The second referendum? Or the general election followed by the second referendum?

 

[Yafo]

Now would be a good time for the brexiteer leaders to remind us all of the advantages of brexit.

The easy deals, in and out of europe.

The financial advantages, including the extra money for the nhs.

The travel benefits.

The simpler paperwork

The end of the ECJ

The reclaiming of our borders (that we never lost)

The end of free movement, of people and goods and capital.

Any others?


After all, that was what was voted for.

And then explain why a no deal scenario is good, when it is nothing like what was offered!

Moving goalposts anybody ?

 

[Notch7]

There's no other offer

I never said there was. Others may have done

 

[JohnD]

 

[JohnD]

There's no other offer.

so what will the Prime Minister tell the 27 nations a delay will achieve for them, when he or she begs for it?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

[A rather ironic image, given the views of the person in it]

 

[ban-all-sheds]

so what will the Prime Minister tell the 27 nations a delay will achieve for them, when he or she begs for it?

The possibility that the country will come to its senses and not leave.

From their POV of not wanting the EU to break up, what better story than "Even the UK, with their almost pathological distrust of anything foreign, decided not to leave after all when they looked into the abyss"? Far better than having to wait for the economic and diplomatic decline to manifest itself.

 

[JohnD]

The possibility that the country will come to its senses and not leave.

You mean a second referendum.

possibly preceded by a general election, certainly preceded by a new Prime Minister.

They've fumbled about aimlessly for long enough to run out of time, to try to prevent those options.

 

[durhamplumber]

Interesting times,livened up politics abit!

 

[durhamplumber]

27 countries to unanimously agree to bailout a country that doesn't know what to do and shows no sign of ever deciding.

UK is already a laughing stock in the world and has shown itself incompetent and demented.

Sticks to baths John.You manage to post a reply about those without being insulting about half of the population.