Soldier F.

[Highway Man]

Not me without a clue

On this subject you should know better. If...

What Eva

 

[carmanmemoranda]

What Eva

The rules of engagement are clear.

They may differ (and they do) to your opinion.

You should know better

 

[Highway Man]

Not me without a clue

On this subject you should know better. If...

If only one of us had one of these?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

If only somebody understood

I did

 

[Knave of Hearts]

do you consider that justifies rape, murder, blowing limbs off people, torture?

Nothing justifies that kind of behaviour.
Israel committed those crimes in Gaza, and before the recent 2 year conflict.
Israel committed indiscriminate killing and maiming in Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, etc.

Nelson Mandela reluctantly agreed to violent resistance following the ethnic cleansing by the National Party of South Africa.

USA (and much of the western world) practices torture and indiscriminate murder and maiming of innocent civilians. They call it collateral damage.

The British Army and the RUC killed innocent civilians in NI. The British government exported crops from ireland to Britain during the potato famine.
Large portions of land was dedicated to growing "money crops" to pay for excessively high rents, which contributed to the potato famine.

• "Perfect storm": The combination of high rents, absentee landlords who often did not invest in the land, and a growing population created a precarious situation that made the population extremely vulnerable when the potato crop failed.

This policy of allowing food exports while the population suffered led many Irish to believe that the famine was a direct result of British colonial policies, not just a natural disaster.

Indians suffered rape, murder, maiming and torture by the British during the occupation of India.

This rosy picture of colonialism conflicts dramatically with the historical record. According to research by the economic historian Robert C Allen, extreme poverty in India increased under British rule, from 23 percent in 1810 to more than 50 percent in the mid-20th century. Real wages declined during the British colonial period, reaching a nadir in the 19th century, while famines became more frequent and more deadly. Far from benefitting the Indian people, colonialism was a human tragedy with few parallels in recorded history.

Government armies wiped out indigenous people in USA, Canada, Australia and South America.

When Freedom fighter take up arms against an oppressor, it's because they have suffered such violence as you mention.
The oppressors then describe the freedom fighters as terrorists to justify killing them.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

...
I've just pointed out your inconsistinces. ...

You in for the long haul?

 

[Knave of Hearts]

If only one of us had one of these?

It's a shame you fail to understand English.

 

[IT Minion]

The Paras completely ignored their Yellow card rules.

No warnings were given before firing on the victims. They failed to correctly identify threats, so many times they failed to kill one armed person and instead killed 13 civilians.

Shooting unarmed people who were no immediate threat. Shooting wounded people who were no immediate threat.

Unsafe use of firearms. Poor weapons discipline. Poor management of weapons discipline. Poor control from the company commander and bad judgement from the platoon commander.

They basically forgot they were on a British street and started treating the locals like they were Russian soldiers in the Fulda gap.

 

[fillyboy]

The British government exported crops from ireland to Britain during the potato famine.
Large portions of land was dedicated to growing "money crops" to pay for excessively high rents, which contributed to the potato famine.

Exacerbating factors, the primary cause of the famine was the Potato Blight.

 

[noseall]

Once you have permission to open fire you have a licence to kill. There is no murder.

Utter nonsense.

 

[IT Minion]

Once you have permission to fire at an enemy you are allowed to kill them. It's kind of the point. But if they surrender, or are incapacitated then you lose the permission to kill them.

And being allowed to fire at one target doesn't mean you can engage anything you see nearby. Which is what 1 Para did.*

 

[Vinty]

UK law, the law enacted by the occupying force?
Israel has enacted laws to legalise their occupation of Palestine.

Palestine is a separate state from Israel.
N.Ireland is part of the UK.
Look it up.

 

[Odds]

It's not an opinion, it's a matter of fact.

Depends on which side of the street you live, doesn't it?

N.Ireland or Ulster, which ever you prefer, is part of the UK, and as such the deployment of the army to support the civil authorities was a legal obligation under UK law.

It was a political decision.

 

[Odds]

On balance the Paras saved more lives than they took.
If the mob had overrun the Para lines, then the a lot of soldiers and civilians could have died.
If you look at the footage at the time , the rioters outnumbered the security forces and were closing in.

Another point is why did the riot start.
A popular fiction is that the Army opened fire on peaceful 'Civil rights' protesters.
The truth is that the Civil rights march had been rerouted because the original route would have taken them through a Protestant minority enclave in the City.

The organisers of the Civil rights march acceded to the Army request to take a different route but a section of the marchers broke away and tried to force their way through the army barricades , that's when the rioting started.

Yeah, nobody wants to see that, eh.

 

[morqthana]

You need to stop trying to put this on the British military


They were there because of the IRA causing trouble.

No, they weren't.

They were there because of the terrorism of groups such as the UVF.

Try reading the truth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Troubles#1960–1969

If the IRA hadn’t caused trouble they wouldn’t have been there

It was only after the deployment of the British army that the Provisional IRA split from the Official one, and began their campaign against what they saw as an army of colonial occupation.

If the army hadn't been there, and not given the supporters of armed struggle within the IRA an enemy to fight, would the Provos have split off?

We'll never know, but please don't keep stating the falsehood that the army was there because of the IRA when the timeline is that the Provisional IRA arrived after the British troops.