Who put 50p in Mrs Doubtfire ?How about
"This whole homosexual thing is a lot of old sh1te. Left leaning parents, educators etc encouraging young humans down this dangerous path"?
How does that look?
The reason I mentioned homosexuality was not because I think there's a link between sexual orientation and gender identity, it's because of the similarities between attitudes to non-binary gender identity today, and to homosexuality 50+ years ago.
We see the same "don't talk about it to children, it will encourage them to become transgender|homosexual".
We see the same "Oh it's not real, it's just a choice, a whim".
We see the same "it's unnatural" and the same "it's wrong" moralising.
We see the same conflation of trans women = intrinsic sex offender that we saw with male homosexual = paedophile.
We tried to eradicate homosexuality by legislation. It didn't work.
We tried to eradicate it by pretending it wasn't real, and people could be "converted" away from it. It didn't work.
We tried to ban "promotion" of it in schools. It didn't work.
We had decades of prejudice and ill-treatment of homosexuals. They did not go away.
And yet here some of us are trying the same sort of tactics because they don't like the idea of a non-binary gender system, tactics which are no more going to work to bring about the change they want than they did to bring about the same change people wanted re homosexuality.
I don't for one second think that a man should automatically have access to women-only spaces just by saying "I identify as a woman", and I've always said that.
The reason I asked pete about whether mention should ever be made in schools about families, mothers, fathers, etc (a question he misinterpreted before answering) was that schools already have to consider what happens with same-sex parents.
As soon as teachers start talking about mummies and daddies and brothers and sisters and grandmas and grandads, etc, e.g. just reading stories, they are already encountering the situation where they might be talking to children who don't have a mummy and a daddy, they have two mummies or two daddies.
Does anybody here think that those children should be made to feel ashamed, or guilty? That in some way their family is "wrong"? Should they be left confused or worried by their scenario being ignored, as if it doesn't or shouldn't exist?
As children get older, those who are homosexual will start to realise that. Should they be made to feel ashamed, or guilty? That there is something "wrong" with them? Should they be left confused or worried by their feelings being ignored, as if they don't or shouldn't exist?
Finding ways to deal with these issues does not mean "teaching" homosexuality. It does not mean discussing it at inappropriate ages, or in inappropriate ways.
And so it is with gender identity. If it hasn't happened yet that a child in a school has a trans parent it will soon.
Transgender people are no more going to go away by being ridiculed, ignored, denied, treated prejudicially or legislated against than homosexual people did. As a society we have to find ways to deal with that.
We won't succeed if we stick to simplistic, scientifically illiterate beliefs about genitals and sex.
We won't succeed if we threaten to punch people who tell children scientific truths.
We won't succeed if we think this is the way to do it:
We won't succeed if we think like this:
Sorry, but this is important.
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They'd be in a minority to TG-men who identify as women, i'd say.
Has democracy eaten itself to the point where we cannot make sensible legislation?
I have no interest in any of your suggestions. Try to control your wild imaginings.
I am, however, interested in women having the right to spaces and events where people are not admitted if they are not women.
I find it curious that you and people like you wish to deny them that right.
You're welcome!
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