Sorry, but this is important.

It’s fairly clear that there are limits to changing your identity. Some Trans people accept this, others don’t. We do not get to choose our sex. We have to accept that some things cannot be changed. Nobody is preventing a person identifying and presenting how they like.
 
I don't need to "prevent" a man being a woman.

A man is not a woman.

You don't seem to accept that fact.
If you can't tell us what characteristics a woman has to have to be a woman, how can you prevent anyone who chooses to, to access those women only spaces?
 
How about

"This whole homosexual thing is a lot of old sh1te. Left leaning parents, educators etc encouraging young humans down this dangerous path"?

How does that look?

The reason I mentioned homosexuality was not because I think there's a link between sexual orientation and gender identity, it's because of the similarities between attitudes to non-binary gender identity today, and to homosexuality 50+ years ago.

We see the same "don't talk about it to children, it will encourage them to become transgender|homosexual".

We see the same "Oh it's not real, it's just a choice, a whim".

We see the same "it's unnatural" and the same "it's wrong" moralising.

We see the same conflation of trans women = intrinsic sex offender that we saw with male homosexual = paedophile.

We tried to eradicate homosexuality by legislation. It didn't work.

We tried to eradicate it by pretending it wasn't real, and people could be "converted" away from it. It didn't work.

We tried to ban "promotion" of it in schools. It didn't work.

We had decades of prejudice and ill-treatment of homosexuals. They did not go away.

And yet here some of us are trying the same sort of tactics because they don't like the idea of a non-binary gender system, tactics which are no more going to work to bring about the change they want than they did to bring about the same change people wanted re homosexuality.


I don't for one second think that a man should automatically have access to women-only spaces just by saying "I identify as a woman", and I've always said that.



The reason I asked pete about whether mention should ever be made in schools about families, mothers, fathers, etc (a question he misinterpreted before answering) was that schools already have to consider what happens with same-sex parents.

As soon as teachers start talking about mummies and daddies and brothers and sisters and grandmas and grandads, etc, e.g. just reading stories, they are already encountering the situation where they might be talking to children who don't have a mummy and a daddy, they have two mummies or two daddies.

Does anybody here think that those children should be made to feel ashamed, or guilty? That in some way their family is "wrong"? Should they be left confused or worried by their scenario being ignored, as if it doesn't or shouldn't exist?

As children get older, those who are homosexual will start to realise that. Should they be made to feel ashamed, or guilty? That there is something "wrong" with them? Should they be left confused or worried by their feelings being ignored, as if they don't or shouldn't exist?

Finding ways to deal with these issues does not mean "teaching" homosexuality. It does not mean discussing it at inappropriate ages, or in inappropriate ways.


And so it is with gender identity. If it hasn't happened yet that a child in a school has a trans parent it will soon.

Transgender people are no more going to go away by being ridiculed, ignored, denied, treated prejudicially or legislated against than homosexual people did. As a society we have to find ways to deal with that.

We won't succeed if we stick to simplistic, scientifically illiterate beliefs about genitals and sex.

We won't succeed if we threaten to punch people who tell children scientific truths.

We won't succeed if we think this is the way to do it:


We won't succeed if we think like this:

All of this will not happen because people like you will bulldoze Sharia law in this country.
Do you see how much controversial boll@x you're able to vomit?
 
Since you don't accept that a man is not a woman, you aren't really getting to grips with the fact that people who are not women, are not entitled to access spaces and events that are reserved exclusively for women.
How will you, anyone, decide which women have the charaterisitcs needed to access those spaces?

It is not fair, or unprejudiced, to pretend that women have no right to women-only spaces and events.
Do you want to rephrase that?
 
No idea how billy can be so confused as to what a man and a woman is. If you have to have all of the details spelled out to you we are living in a very strange world.
 
Youve got to remember mate we aren't all double ard bar stuards like me :oops:
Could he become confused as to what gender I am. I am built like a tank and I would be sussed out before I got anywhere near a female shower facility.
 
Twisting my words, there are two sexes only,

No there aren't. It doesn't make a blind bit of difference how often you say that, it is, and will always remain, scientifically untrue. It doesn't matter how much you dislike it, science is indifferent to your likes and dislikes.
 
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No there aren't. It doesn't make a blind bit of difference how often you say that, it is, and will always remain, scientifically untrue. It doesn't matter how much you dislike it, science is indifferent to your likes and dislikes.
Sorry you are so confused. There are two genders only. Biologically and scientifically so just because you are confused over your gender doesn’t mean the rest of us are.
 
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