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Discussion in 'Electrics UK' started by FRAN1870, 7 Nov 2018.

  1. FRAN1870

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    Ok so for arguments sake let’s say the sparky ran the cable ... and I didn’t touch it.

    What size cable would you spec to run a sub board to the kitchen :)
     
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    Are you aware of a single case where someone has been prosecuted for contravening Part P?


    That's not a contravention of Part P.


    So that will be a "no" then - you've not seen anything which would make "Part P far bigger than BS7671 if we read all the cases".


    "Other than" doesn't work - claiming to be a scheme member when you're not is not a contravention of Part P.
     
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    The size the spark chose when he ran it, of course.

    Look on his invoice - it might say there, but if not it will definitely say on the schedule associated with the EIC he gave you.
     
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    You won't go far wrong with 10mm
     
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    Whether we do or not does not matter.

    What matters is the attitude of the person being asked to falsify a declaration (and that IS what is, no matter how much "common sense" you try to use in obfuscation).

    Do NICEIC etc allow their members to retrospectively do that and then notify via them?

    If the OP wants to go down the route of forging ahead with DIYing this in a way that the law doesn't support, hoping to then find an electrician prepared to falsify a declaration, then all we can do is to advise him not to, and instead speak to an electrician up front.

    It really would cost so little extra, if anything, to get agreement in advance that frankly the only reason I can think of for people not wanting to do that is that they have absolutely no intention of involving an electrician at all, but think that if they say they are going to get it "checked and signed off" that they'll get better advice here.
     
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    Eh? Badly written? As I said, it's just one sentence and seems both very clear and sensible, essentially simply saying that electrical work must be done 'safely' (not endangering people or property). What do you think is 'badly written' about it?

    Kind Regards, John
     
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    It can't be, and isn't. When Wales and England parted company as regards notification rules, the new Approved Doc P (2013, if I recall correctly) says that it only applies to England.

    I can but presume that the Welsh still use the previous version of ASDP.

    Kind Regards, John
     
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    I'm not at all sure what consequences there could/would be (should the matter ever be pursued, which it probably wouldn't) of 'falsifying' a declaration that one had complied with something which is not mandatory anyway.
    'Notifying', via a Competent Person Scheme, work which the person notifying had not actually undertaken would be a different matter - but that does not appear to be what we are talking about.
     
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    Oh.
     
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    The OP's interest may be about notification, but most of the discussion has been about the wording of the declaration in a (non-mandatory) BS7671-specified certificate.
     
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    That's true.

    But there are many things in life which are not mandatory to do but which if done do have to be done according to laws, regulations, or just good old-fashioned honesty, morality and decency.

    I appreciate that I am in a very small minority here for caring about the last three.
     
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    I would be very surprised if the great majority here did not care about honesty, morality and decency, but I don't think an 'Electrics' forum is a place to preach about such things. I would say that the most we should do is to ensure that an OP is aware of how things should be done.
     
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    Quite likely.
    I've been in the position of looking for an electrician that will split the work - the most common response is that they are too busy, one informing me that he's currently taking orders for work next Easter such is his backlog. Seems that there's plenty of easy work going around, so no-one wants any "unusual" jobs.
     
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    He’s telling me 16mm I think it’s overkill
     
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    Thanks blame Brexit

    Seriously though I’m not sure what constitutes a decent job? There’s money waiting but other than the sub board it’s just a standard kitchen rewire?
     
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