Suicide.

[joe-90]

Why are suicide and depression is so much higher in the West than the Third World? People in some places are starving - but don't resort to suicide.

 

[chapeau]

The facts don't appear to support your position

 

[joe-90]

1 Lithuania 61.3 10.4 34.1 2009
2 South Korea[3] (more info) 41.4 21.0 31.2 2010
3 Guyana 39.0 13.4 26.4 2006
4 Kazakhstan 43.0 9.4 25.6 2008
5 Belarus[4][5] 25.3 2010
6 Hungary[6] 40.0 10.6 24.6 2009
7 Japan (more info)[7] 33.5 14.6 23.8 2011
8 Latvia 40.0 8.2 22.9 2009
9 People's Republic of China [8]
(more info) 22.23 2010
10 Slovenia 34.6 9.4 21.9 2009

 

[chapeau]

Yes, there is no real evidence from that data that the rate is 'much higher' in the west (whatever that means, you would need to define that)

However I am sure you have applied statistical analysis to those results.

You might be right, I don't know from looking at that data. So what is your value of p ?

Would you say that rates of suicide and depression are correctly, over or underreported in these 'developing countries' where you might expect the infrastructure to record this data is lacking?

 

[joe-90]

I'd expect people starving and being caught in war zones to top themselves about 20 times as often as the fat softies in the west - wouldn't you?

Take a look at Syria for example.

 

[chapeau]

Syria comes 101st in your list or countries.

How does citing Syria support your case?

 

[joe-90]

It should be at the top. Would you like to live there?

 

[chapeau]

So how do you reconcile the facts (it's 101st) with what you think it should be (1st).

1) You can either dismiss the facts because it doesn't suit what you want the facts to show (your approach)

Or

2) look at the facts and try to work out what it means (my approach)

As you are in 1) you are in the company of, for example, creationalists.
As I am in 2) I am in the company of, for example, evolutionary scientists

Now I keep harping on about the importance of being trained in science before you can really understand it. This rubs people up the wrong way (creationalists for example) but don't you see it's sort of correct?

 

[joe-90]

No. I think you have a general lack of intelligence that you try to make up for with statistics. It's not uncommon in the scientific community. There is no creative thought amongst you, but you are just too unintelligent to realise it.

Never mind eh?

 

[chapeau]

No that's fine.

Spoken like a true creationalist

 

[joe-90]

You are only making yourself look silly.

Oh and it's 'creationist' anyway.

 

[chapeau]

You'd know.

 

[UriBentMySpoon]

[quote="UriBentMySpoon";p="2507778"


Too much "noise" too much hassle, I for too long tried to keep working because I thought that was the answer, I can and did understand suicide, and that could have been a real solution the way I was headed then.

I don't mean girlie work in an office. I mean going out and doing some real work in the real world.[/quote]

You do not know what work I do. And ofcourse "Office work" isn't proper work? I'd take physical stress over mental stress anyday.

On more than one occasion you have shown yourself to be a callous troll and you have just shown yourself once again.

 

[UriBentMySpoon]

You wouldn't want to give a lot of these people a job. But they probably aren't properly depressed, they are just lazy bums who want a sick note from their GP to get get more benefits. Because the GP is a lazy bum who cannot be bothered he gives them one.

So they are labelled depressed, get an excuse not to work, get more benefits, and they are happy.

A lot of people with genuine depression would love to work but the condition cripples them.

But probably in the minority, in this modern 'you owe me everything and I have to prove nothing' society anyway.

Once I was able to return to work, I did, probably came back too soon to be honest.

It is too easy to lable those claiming depression as "lazy" taking advantage of the term. Ignorance of mental health in todays working world is, or can be I should say, akin to ignorance of sexual equality or race and religion in the workforce of yesteryear.

 

[ckelly10]

I believe that everyone should be 100% in control of their own lives...if they wish to end it then they should have the right to do so.

I know there are variables which must be considered such as what if the person has metal problems? If they do not fully understand or comprehend the consequences of the actions should it be right?

I feel sorry for people who have that disability that means that they can not move but there mind is in fully working order. They are trapped in their bodies essentially.

Its a very delicate topic and maybe there is no one set answer. But then if there is no one set answer then this means that it is different for one person then for another therefore eliminating the simple fundamentals of human equality.

I suppose the law which states no one can commit suicide upholds the whole human equality factor in a weird sort of way keeping it the same for everyone.