Sunak on Covid...

[ellal]

Let's hope that telling the truth about the 'virus' doesn't get the 'insufficient privileges' treatment yet again...

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Rishi Sunak has criticised the government's response to Covid - suggesting independent scientific advisers were given too much authority.

"Speaking to the Spectator, Mr Sunak insisted he did not want to blame individuals but said he believes a series of mistakes were made by ministers during the pandemic. He said ministers were not given enough information to scrutinise analysis produced by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) - a group of independent experts advising the government."

"We shouldn't have empowered the scientists in the way we did," he is quoted as saying."

"In his interview, Mr Sunak also hit out at campaign posters showing Covid patients on ventilators, saying it was "wrong" to "scare people"



So is Sunak right or wrong?

Should he be the next PM when he's telling the truth that many refuse to believe?

 

[just pumps]

So is Sunak right or wrong?

Should he be the next PM when he's telling the truth that many refuse to believe?

Dont know if he is right or wrong tbh however you dont get to be PM on the back of one single thing do you.

 

[noseall]

Let's hope that telling the truth about the 'virus' doesn't get the 'insufficient privileges' treatment yet again...

From the 'Excess deaths' topic from which I can't reply in...

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Rishi Sunak has criticised the government's response to Covid - suggesting independent scientific advisers were given too much authority.

"Speaking to the Spectator, Mr Sunak insisted he did not want to blame individuals but said he believes a series of mistakes were made by ministers during the pandemic. He said ministers were not given enough information to scrutinise analysis produced by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) - a group of independent experts advising the government."

"We shouldn't have empowered the scientists in the way we did," he is quoted as saying."

"In his interview, Mr Sunak also hit out at campaign posters showing Covid patients on ventilators, saying it was "wrong" to "scare people"



So is Sunak right or wrong?

Should he be the next PM when he's telling the truth that many refuse to believe?

The world experienced a horrific pandemic for the first time in the modern era, lockdowns were implemented nationwide for the first time ever in our lifetime and Sunak says that we didn't have enough info about either?

What is surprising about that? He didn't say they were wrong or unjust.He said he wished they had more info.

Won't be getting excited about your latest attempt at denial anytime soon boyo.

 

[Risteard]

As disgusting and reprehensible as Sunak is, he is of course correct that scientists should not be given unchecked power. Coercion and closing down any part of society, any mandates etc. are and were completely unjustifiable, immoral and also entirely illegal and unlawful. Vengeance must be delivered.

 

[Odds]

Dont know if he is right or wrong tbh however you dont get to be PM on the back of one single thing do you.

Not sure if you're being ironic but does 'Get Brexit Done' ring any bells?

 

[ajohn]

So is Sunak right or wrong?

Members of pariliament are not experts in anything and are not really capable of scrutinising stuff like that. Many other areas too - that is what advisors and civil servants are for. The heads of the medical side are civil servants.

He is also not saying what he thinks may have gone wrong. He isn't an idiot so it's unlikely to relate to what you think.

Fact is the gov was presented with alternatives and picked actions from them via advice from all sorts. This will have included the treasury area and very probably the BofE and others as well.

Comment about fear. Bull stuff. People became aware that covid could result in people finishing up on a ventilator and reacted accordingly. The general news made people aware of that. Maybe they shouldn't have told people. No one fears covid anyway. Some have reason too. Most would just rather not catch it even now. Fairly recently I have seen more people wearing masks again - during the recent peak. They aren't scared, just rather get in with their life without catching it.

He's more moaning about repercussions. Take working at home for instance. Initially put over as great, less traffic, all can be done via video links and etc. Less travel, less pollution. Air quality did improve. Problem. Many people working at home used to spend money locally where they previously worked. That aspect still figures. Some companies have found it's a cheaper way of working. It's allowed some to live where ever they like rather than where they had to previously due to commuting.

The other aspect is people needed to be encouraged to do the right thing. The majority did. A low proportion didn't which wont have helped relating to the main problem - being able to treat people who needed to be. I don't think the behaviourists did a very good job of getting that across.

And of course all of the cold body storage arranged in case people didn't behave wasn't needed. It wasn't as most did.

 

[denso13]

Coercion and closing down any part of society, any mandates etc. are and were completely unjustifiable, immoral and also entirely illegal and unlawful.

No they weren't. Completely understandable in the face of a new pandemic.

 

[Risteard]

No they weren't. Completely understandable in the face of a new pandemic.

My remarks aren't open for debate as they are fact - not merely conjecture.

 

[denso13]

as they are fact

No, they are your opinion, which is wrong.

 

[Justin Passing]

"We shouldn't have empowered the scientists in the way we did," he is quoted as saying."

Oh, where? Not in that article
If you're going to cite an article it's pretty juvenile to make things up.

- given unchecked power. -

Another Lying ****.

What power? Scientists didn't shut anything.
"Empowered" to do what? Their job?
They were empowered to give the best opinion they could on the numbers. Politicians made the decisions.

It would be better if you two would constrain yourselves to writing your fantasies on the toilet wall, in crayon.
Your own toilet wall, so you don't pollute the rest of the planet, that is.

 

[Mottie]

You would have thought that the government would have learned lessons from the last pandemic or the one before that.

 

[gas112]

Back lash in USA about Fauci being given too much say regards lockdowns etc proved he lied to congress etc and now he is jumping before being thrown .

 

[wobs]

Rishi Sunak has criticised the government's response to Covid - suggesting independent scientific advisers were given too much authority.

"Speaking to the Spectator, Mr Sunak insisted he did not want to blame individuals but said he believes a series of mistakes were made by ministers during the pandemic. He said ministers were not given enough information to scrutinise analysis produced by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) - a group of independent experts advising the government."

"We shouldn't have empowered the scientists in the way we did," he is quoted as saying."

So he's saying we shouldn't rely on experts? Its sounds like Brexit all over again.
Although ultimately, the decision to go to lockdown was a politcial decision, not the experts.

 

[ajohn]

You would have thought that the government would have learned lessons from the last pandemic or the one before that.

They don't crop up often.

There was a near miss that petered out but they ordered loads of antivirals of some sort. I assume on the basis that they worked. It didn't arrive here. It did elsewhere which very probably did give some countries a better idea of what to do. We may have tightened up monitoring for certain types of diseases. It helps a bit but not effective until there are definite signs of spread.

The worrying strain of flu that killed loads - I have seen mention that they keep a stock of a specific vaccine. Enough for all? Pass.

Others - this one referred to as sars cov2. There was a cov1. Also another, name not sure. It maybe why bird flu is of concern - it might jump species. So stay away from dead birds etc.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

My remarks aren't open for debate as they are fact - not merely conjecture.

You have the facts to back it up ?