Tax and Spend Tories - over 40s to pay more Tax

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

They are NOT loopholes.

The rules are purposely designed to allow such things.

A perfect example of a conspiracy theory.

conspiracy theory

noun

1. a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for an unexplained event.

But I don't suppose anyone will be accusing you anytime soon.

If they're not loopholes, and designed that way, it must have been done by a covert, influential organisation. And you offer no explanation for those loopholes.
Therefore your theory has all the hallmarks of a conspiracy theory.

 

[sxturbo]

Are you suggesting that tax paying voters have no right to criticise rubbish governmental decisions or policy?

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• noseall
• 17 Jan 2015
• 3

everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. However what has your criticism achieved? Does bojo and his cronies come on this forum regularly just to get your latest opinion on his latest hair brained scheme, no he doesn't.

P.s, well done with acting like the media and taking a piece of what was written in an attempt to take it out of context to suit your own narrative.

I deal with it by voting for the moron I believe will cock things up the least every 5 years, or in the local elections which I think would serve the local community the best

 

[noseall]

everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.

That's not what I asked.

You think public pressure carries no weight?

 

[sxturbo]

That's not what I asked.

You think public pressure carries no weight?

Surely it depends on the amount of public pressure? Also they don't HAVE to listen to public pressure (look at the Dom Cummings scenario)

Pressure is rarely offered from the public, the pressure enforced is mostly via the media. There is petitions available, but tbh I don't think they get taken very seriously at all.

I have signed a number of petitions and none have ever had any feedback, and they got there 100k + signatures.

Change.org deletes half of their petitions.

 

[SirGalahad]

poor old tories cant win, people consistently request left wing socialist policies, and as soon as they implement them, they still get moaned at.

taxes will always be ever increasing regardless of whatever dimwit is in charge of the country, as the public demands more and more the money has to come from somewhere is doesn't grow on trees. sometimes the folk on this forum astound me they appear so intelligent but so dim at the same time.

as someone who is coming up to their 40's i'm not really keen on the idea of paying higher taxes i work bloody hard for the things i have and i don't have much spare cash as it is, cant remember the last time i had a proper holiday was meant to go on one this year but covid put paid to that, i'd already resigned myself to paying higher taxes for the damage done to the economy and the financial care package that was implemented, i dont contribute much to a pension (funds just dont allow it) so will be working till i drop.

i bet even though i be paying into this, when i eventually turn into a vegetable the bastewards will still take my house as collateral

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Quantum Tory - both strong and weak.

Taxes have gone up under the Tories but you keep believing the lies that you would get taxed less.

If you want a more equitable system perhaps ask your MPs to tax land owners and have a less renty economy.

You cannot moan about your situation if you keep voting for a party that doesnt improve your situation.

 

[SirGalahad]

Which reverts to my statement about necessary evils.

I can't really believe that anyone thinks politicians are in it to best serve the public, to improve your lives. That might be the reason some start out in politics but by the time they get to a position of making change they fall in line with all the other corrupt politicians.

All these posh toffs millionaires don't get into politics because of the salary, Christ the prime minister's "wage" is poultry to what the job entails, some are to stupid for a real job (bojo, corbyn etc) so rely on back handers from their mates "corporate donations".

Corporate donations.... Back handers is what they mean

Yet you voted Tory? lol

 

[noseall]

Surely it depends on the amount of public pressure? Also they don't HAVE to listen to public pressure (look at the Dom Cummings scenario)

So what you are saying is public pressure and criticisms of the government are valid and do make a difference.

Thanks for clearing that up. Lol.

 

[JohnD]

If they're not loopholes, and designed that way, it must have been done by a covert, influential organisation.

The government is not a covert organisation (though it has agencies that are).

Are you not aware who sets the tax laws in this country?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The government is not a covert organisation (though it has agencies that are).

Are you not aware who sets the tax laws in this country?

If the tax 'loopholes' were designed to be loopholes, they would be common knowledge, and everyone (qualifying permitting) would be taking advantage of them.
Because they're called loopholes means that they are not common knowledge. And if they're designed into the system for the benefit of a few rich people, it would be by some covert group of influential people.

 

[EFLImpudence]

If the tax 'loopholes' were designed to be loopholes, they would be common knowledge, and everyone (qualifying permitting) would be taking advantage of them.
Because they're called loopholes means that they are not common knowledge. And if they're designed into the system for the benefit of a few rich people, it would be by some covert group of influential people.

You can take advantage, but strangely enough, you have to have lots of money to do it.

Remember Jimmy Carr?

 

[JohnD]

Remember Jimmy Carr?

I remember David Cameron

 

[EFLImpudence]

Yes, Jimmy Carr not in the 'club' so was shamed by them.

 

[JohnD]

I remember Lord Ashcroft.

"Ashcroft is a former Conservative party treasurer and deputy chairman who has given millions to the Conservatives, including £500,000 towards the party’s most recent campaign. The pro-Brexit peer is influential in British politics through his polling company and the website ConservativeHome, a centre-right blog aimed at grassroots party activists.

He was turned down for a peerage in 1999 and 2000 because he was a tax exile in Belize. He gained his title after saying he would take up permanent residence in the UK again.

Scores of emails and financial statements chart the inner workings of the Bermuda-based Punta Gorda Trust from its creation in 2000, just after he became a peer.


The documents run until 2016, when the offshore law firm Appleby, which acted as trustee, terminated the relationship, a decision questioned at the time by Ashcroft’s representatives.


The value of the trust fluctuated, but a leaked financial statement recorded it as having assets of $450.4m (£341m) in 2006."

 

[JohnD]

Loophole, eh?

"Paradise Papers: Lord Ashcroft stayed non-dom despite pledges

By Paradise Papers reporting team BBC Panorama

• 5 November 2017

Lord Ashcroft remained a non-dom, and continued to avoid tax despite attempts by Parliament to make peers pay their full share, leaked documents reveal.

The peer was domiciled for tax purposes in Belize at a time when it was widely believed he had given up the status, the Paradise Papers show.

While ordinary Britons have to pay tax on everything they earn, non-doms are only taxed on their UK income.

Lord Ashcroft, who donated millions to the Tories, said he would not comment."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41879422

I can't understand it.

Is there any reason why a Conservative Government and a Conservative Prime Minister would tolerate one of their own Conservative members of Parliament, who was a past Treasurer of the Conservative Party, and a generous donor to the Conservative Party, being a tax-dodger on a huge scale?

I can't think of a reason, can you?

"Parliament tried to force the controversial peer to pay full British tax when he entered the House of Lords in 2000.

Lord Ashcroft promised to become a permanent resident in the UK - a change that would have meant giving up his status as a UK resident whose permanent home, or domicile, is outside of the country.

The then leader of the Conservative Party William Hague told Parliament that becoming a peer would "cost him [Lord Ashcroft] and benefit the Treasury tens of millions of pounds a year in tax".

"The tax was never paid because Lord Ashcroft, who was once Belize's ambassador to the United Nations and maintains links to the central American country, persuaded officials that he should be allowed to become a long term resident of the UK rather than a permanent one. A distinction that allowed him to retain his non-dom status.

The leaked documents show that between 2000 and 2010, Lord Ashcroft received payments of around $200m (£150m) from his offshore trust in the Bermuda.

The Tory Peer continued to sit in the House of Lords and as a non-dom he did not have to pay tax on these payments."

"Lord Ashcroft's admission in 2010 that he was still a non-dom led to a major political controversy and the introduction of legislation designed to force anybody who sits in Parliament to pay full British tax.

After Lord Ashcroft told the BBC in May 2010 he was going to become "a fully taxed person in Britain", it was widely reported he had given up his non-dom status.

The Conservative Party also gave such an indication on 7 July that same year.

However, documents seen by the BBC's Panorama, reveal "his true domicile is Belize"."

It's almost as if you can't believe a word the Conservative party, and its billionaire tax-dodging donor and former Treasurer, says.

How do you know when Lord Ashcroft is lying?

His lips move.

 

[sxturbo]

Yet you voted Tory? lol

Yes this time but to be honest the alternatives weren't really any better if anything they were worse, but I voted lib Dems previously, and labour before that.

I'm not a 1 party pony, as I stated I go with the ones that I think will make the fewest of cock ups in their period of control.

Locally I actually vote for the greens as the councilor lives round the corner and takes great pride in the village, so far he has yet to be turned into a money grabbing weasel of the Ilk of those that attend parliement.

Again regardless of the dimwit in charge taxes will always go up, the public always wants ever more funding and we are always telling the government they need to do more.